Solve : 4k on a laptop and the compromises it brings?

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Answer» Hey guys, I have been checking around and I want to get the new Maingear Pulse 15 with 4k Display (Released V. Soon), but I have also heard that 4k on a laptop can cause lag in some shape or form. Just wanted to ask if anyone has any experience or information on the topic. The laptop sports INTEL Core i7 2.5/3.5 Ghz, Nvidia GeForce GTX970M 3GB GDDR5, 16 Gb DDR3-1600 Ram, 256 SSD mSATA and Windows 7 Professional. Many Thanks in advance...4k will push the video card extremely hard, any current laptop video card will struggle to run games properly at 4k. You would probably need to turn down the resolution and/or detail settings.So how would this affect the laptop's performance and long-term LIFE?Well, as I said, you may need to turn down the resolution and/or detail settings in some games to get decent performance but other than that it won't cause any other major issues. Quote So how would this affect the laptop's performance and long-term life? As long as you are able to keep your temperatures within operating spec, and as cool as possible, you should be good to go to push it as hard as it can go. With laptops, the only concerns for logevity of the hardware is keeping it all running cool, which is easier in some models than others. Some models heat right up and you need to add a cooling pad underneith or lower settings/clock etc to cool them when there is no easy way to keep them cool due to poor thermal design ( restricted or insufficient airflow etc )So if I were to use this for gaming would I be better off turning the resolution way down? Quote from: ABOD on October 31, 2014, 10:58:14 AM So if I were to use this for gaming would I be better off turning the resolution way down? If you are having issues with performance yeah. Just play about with different resolutions to see what works best. Why do you actually need 4k on a laptop though? There's likely much better ways to spend your money.Well it's only a $200 upgrade from Basic HD and in some instances I may need it, i.e. Photo editingWell it will reduce the lifespan of your gpu, especially if you intend to play demanding games. Even if you keep the cooling optimal the card will eventually wear out (for example bitcoin mining can destroy a gpu very quickly). I see another problem too. Here is a comparison to the desktop GTX 760 (the msi version of which i am using atm): http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-970M-vs-GeForce-GTX-760 Although the 970M has 3x the memory the overall performance is about the same, and I can tell you that the 760 can just about run almost all modern games at 60fps on max settings AT 1080P. Now COMPARE that to 4K which is 4 times the resolution...Thanks for your help guys. It's helped a lot and I've decided to opt for the lower resolution Quote from: MoffKalast on November 01, 2014, 02:48:04 AM Well it will reduce the lifespan of your gpu, especially if you intend to play demanding games. Even if you keep the cooling optimal the card will eventually wear out (for example bitcoin mining can destroy a gpu very quickly). GPUs are not a finite thing and do not "wear out" in a predictable way, especially under gaming. Running 4k will not shorten the lifespan to any reasonable level, the card should still outlast its useful lifespan. Bitcoin mining is totally different as that runs heavy computations and keeps the GPU load at 100% 24/7, gaming will not push a GPU nearly this hard no matter what resolution.Glad someone pointed that out... Quote from: camerongray on November 01, 2014, 09:38:37 AM GPUs are not a finite thing and do not "wear out" in a predictable way, especially under gaming. Running 4k will not shorten the lifespan to any reasonable level, the card should still outlast its useful lifespan. Bitcoin mining is totally different as that runs heavy computations and keeps the GPU load at 100% 24/7, gaming will not push a GPU nearly this hard no matter what resolution. Well i did manage to break 2 ATI radeon HD 5000 series gpus BACK in the day, still under warranty by playing demanding games... Quote from: MoffKalast on November 01, 2014, 05:01:03 PM Well i did manage to break 2 ATI radeon HD 5000 series gpus back in the day, still under warranty by playing demanding games... Cards fail but they are not finite, there is nothing to say that the cause of failure was demanding games. The cards may have not have had good cooling, there could have been power supply issues, the cards could just have been badly designed.

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Hey guys, I have been checking around and I want to get the new Maingear Pulse 15 with 4k Display (Released V. Soon), but I have also heard that 4k on a laptop can cause lag in some shape or form. Just wanted to ask if anyone has any experience or information on the topic. The laptop sports INTEL Core i7 2.5/3.5 Ghz, Nvidia GeForce GTX970M 3GB GDDR5, 16 Gb DDR3-1600 Ram, 256 SSD mSATA and Windows 7 Professional.
Many Thanks in advance...4k will push the video card extremely hard, any current laptop video card will struggle to run games properly at 4k. You would probably need to turn down the resolution and/or detail settings.So how would this affect the laptop's performance and long-term LIFE?Well, as I said, you may need to turn down the resolution and/or detail settings in some games to get decent performance but other than that it won't cause any other major issues. Quote

So how would this affect the laptop's performance and long-term life?

As long as you are able to keep your temperatures within operating spec, and as cool as possible, you should be good to go to push it as hard as it can go.

With laptops, the only concerns for logevity of the hardware is keeping it all running cool, which is easier in some models than others. Some models heat right up and you need to add a cooling pad underneith or lower settings/clock etc to cool them when there is no easy way to keep them cool due to poor thermal design ( restricted or insufficient airflow etc )So if I were to use this for gaming would I be better off turning the resolution way down? Quote from: ABOD on October 31, 2014, 10:58:14 AM

So if I were to use this for gaming would I be better off turning the resolution way down?

If you are having issues with performance yeah. Just play about with different resolutions to see what works best.

Why do you actually need 4k on a laptop though? There's likely much better ways to spend your money.Well it's only a $200 upgrade from Basic HD and in some instances I may need it, i.e. Photo editingWell it will reduce the lifespan of your gpu, especially if you intend to play demanding games. Even if you keep the cooling optimal the card will eventually wear out (for example bitcoin mining can destroy a gpu very quickly). I see another problem too. Here is a comparison to the desktop GTX 760 (the msi version of which i am using atm): http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-970M-vs-GeForce-GTX-760 Although the 970M has 3x the memory the overall performance is about the same, and I can tell you that the 760 can just about run almost all modern games at 60fps on max settings AT 1080P. Now COMPARE that to 4K which is 4 times the resolution...Thanks for your help guys. It's helped a lot and I've decided to opt for the lower resolution Quote from: MoffKalast on November 01, 2014, 02:48:04 AM

Well it will reduce the lifespan of your gpu, especially if you intend to play demanding games. Even if you keep the cooling optimal the card will eventually wear out (for example bitcoin mining can destroy a gpu very quickly).

GPUs are not a finite thing and do not "wear out" in a predictable way, especially under gaming. Running 4k will not shorten the lifespan to any reasonable level, the card should still outlast its useful lifespan. Bitcoin mining is totally different as that runs heavy computations and keeps the GPU load at 100% 24/7, gaming will not push a GPU nearly this hard no matter what resolution.Glad someone pointed that out... Quote from: camerongray on November 01, 2014, 09:38:37 AM

GPUs are not a finite thing and do not "wear out" in a predictable way, especially under gaming. Running 4k will not shorten the lifespan to any reasonable level, the card should still outlast its useful lifespan. Bitcoin mining is totally different as that runs heavy computations and keeps the GPU load at 100% 24/7, gaming will not push a GPU nearly this hard no matter what resolution.

Well i did manage to break 2 ATI radeon HD 5000 series gpus BACK in the day, still under warranty by playing demanding games... Quote from: MoffKalast on November 01, 2014, 05:01:03 PM

Well i did manage to break 2 ATI radeon HD 5000 series gpus back in the day, still under warranty by playing demanding games...

Cards fail but they are not finite, there is nothing to say that the cause of failure was demanding games. The cards may have not have had good cooling, there could have been power supply issues, the cards could just have been badly designed.

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