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Recently, my desk top PC booted up and performed check-disk more regularly.  After each time the number of used spaces increased and eventually filled up the entire hard drive.
My PC operates with Vista Home Premium with 1T e-SATA hard drive , and the external hard drive is 1T Seagate FreeAgent which is connected to the PC via e-SATA cable.  This disk uses file system NTFS with  4096 bytes in each allocation.  I use this external drive  to store my backup (using Back-Up PROGRAM) and the second copy of my documents from C: (done manually).
During the checkdisk. at the beginning of boot up, the process "recover" all the "orphant" files  and put into a differnt  (new ?) location.  Currently the property shows that  C: drive is "364 GB free of 833 GB; onthe other hand, the external started with <300GB after the first backup and copy.  After each checkdisk, which takes few hours, the used space increased to almost double the previous size then subsequently grows to the whole disk - 931GB.
Here are my questions:
1.   What cause the PC checks disk more regularly lately?
2.   Is there a way to configure the PC only checks disk when I need?
3.   I'm thinking about buying a bigger drive to replace the Seagate.  Although  e-SATA is faster, is it reliable because most of the "well known" brands use USB 2.0? My PC does NOT have USB 3.0.
Thanks for your responses.
Glad to see you are making backups. Good move.

Is the problem mostly or only with the internal drive? Windows does not invoke check disk unless there is some indication of an error.  This feature is not unique to windows, other system has some way to identify errors at star up. Frequent invocation of the check disk indicates something is very wrong. At least one of  two or three things are present:
1.) A Hard drive that has a defect in a critical area of the drive.
2. ) A program that does not close files properly.
3. Part of the OS was damaged by a virus.

Number one is the worst case, because we do not kn ow for sure why the hard drive is doing this. Replacement of the drive may be necessary.

There is no reason to think the external eSATA connection has anything to do with this. We a rte talking about the internal drive.

Of course, there is always the possibility of something else, but I can not even guess as to what it night be. How old is this machine?

Drive diagnostic software is available for the major manufactures. The ones that run off of a boot CD do not require the OS to work. Hi 9PM,

Thank you for your promptness.

Fortunately the problem has been happened only to the EXTERNAL drive; therefore, I do not think about symptoms 2 and 3 of your diagnoses.

Probably I need TWO backup drives Is it practical?

My system is about three years old.

RotorwingHi

yes there is no reason not to have many drives for backup and if you have esata on the computer thats the way to go. When scandisk runs it can create *.chk files which it puts in the root directory. This could be where the free space is GOING.
Sorry I mis understood. I thought you meant the internal drive.
You need to check with Seagate. There have been many stories of problems with external drives. Not just Seagate. And the makers have admitted that are problems. No data has been released to the public, but indications are that the failure rate was so high that many vendors no longer want to sell the items.
It seems the automatic power management of the drives is the main issue. If so, that means you are better off using a simple system the requires manual backups instead of automatic. After a backup is done, turn off the PC and disable the external device. They last a lot longer that way. It would seem that the automatic backup concept has some kind of design flaw.
That is not just my option. There are others who also think auto-backup external drive for a home computer just does not work right.
Don't believe me? Just Google:
"I hate external drives" (no quotes) Quote from: Geek-9pm on October 02, 2011, 12:52:42 AM

You need to check with Seagate. There have been many stories of problems with external drives.

And internal drives. Disk drives are always going wrong and PEOPLE are always posting about it.

Where? Quotes/references or it ain't so. My Seagate 320 GB USB external has been working like a champ for 3 years and I use it for backups every week.

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It seems the automatic power management of the drives is the main issue.

On my Seagate you can turn it off with an app called FreeAgent Tools, free from Seagate.

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Don't believe me? Just Google:
"I hate external drives" (no quotes)

Googled with no quotes:

i hate external hard drives - about 2,880,000 results
aliens made me pregnant - about 4,490,000 results
the earth is flat - about 66,700,000 results
my mother is a wardrobe - about 26,400,000 results

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the earth is flat - about 66,700,000 results
Should have said advanced search for exact phrase
"the earth is flat"  About 1,940,000 results
"the earth is not flat" About 462,000 results

Therefor the consensus is the earth is flat. That would explain why hard drives fail.
The ONLY problems with external drives are:

1) They need to be handled carefully and
2) They aren't designed to be powered on and off daily as internal drives are

I have several external drives, the oldest of which is probably 10 years - and have NEVER had any issues with any of them. Quote from: Allan on October 02, 2011, 04:30:07 AM
The ONLY problems with external drives are:

1) They need to be handled carefully and
2) They aren't designed to be powered on and off daily as internal drives are

I have several external drives, the oldest of which is probably 10 years - and have NEVER had any issues with any of them.

All hard drives need to be handled carefully, they have limitations on the amount of acceleration/deceleration they can take, expressed in g (g-force, not grams) Typical limits for a normal, non toughened drive are around

operating 147 m/s2 (15G)
non-operating 735 m/s2(75G)

The drives in external enclosures are the same as the ones supplied bare for putting in desktop cases or laptops. They are at no more risk of damage from daily power on/off than internal ones. I guess cheaper enclosures might have a less robust power wart though.


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The drives in external enclosures are the same as the ones supplied bare for putting in desktop cases or laptops. They are at no more risk of damage from daily power on/off than internal ones. I guess cheaper enclosures might have a less robust power wart though.
Exactly!
But the user should not have to be a mechanic.
Years ago I had a nice external drive in enclosure with a power supply. It failed. I removed the hard drive. Did a format. The drive is still in my self of good stuff. I still use it for backup.  But the average usr should not have to do that. They ought to make enclosures and power supplies that have a like at least equal to the hard drive. The hard drive is the only moving mechanic device, so you would think the electronics should out live the hard drive.

To make a simple analogy, imagine you bought  a brand new bicycle. You use it for a while and the tires are still good. Even the seat does not wear out. The chain is near perfect. But one bad day the the frame falls apart in a heap of broken pieces. Absurd? Yes!
  Quote from: Geek-9pm on October 04, 2011, 12:13:15 PM
But the user should not have to be a mechanic.

I'm not sure what you've got a bee in your bonnet about. Good quality external hard drives from a reputable maker with a decent warranty are worthwhile products to purchase.

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To make a simple analogy, imagine you bought  a brand new bicycle. You use it for a while and the tires are still good. Even the seat does not wear out. The chain is near perfect. But one bad day the the frame falls apart in a heap of broken pieces. Absurd? Yes!

Absurd, and profoundly unlikely.



Quote from: Salmon Trout on October 04, 2011, 12:20:10 PM
I'm not sure what you've got a bee in your bonnet about. Good quality external hard drives from a reputable maker with a decent warranty are worthwhile products to purchase.

Absurd, and profoundly unlikely.
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That is the point. Hard drives are, for the most part, one of the most reliable DEVICES made by modem technology. But users mare finding the hard drives are 'failing' for some odd reason. The failure rates seem to be higher that one would expect. In a number of cases the drives are bad. But  other cases the failure is not from the hard drive itself.

So we tell the user to get a hard drive diagnostic program from the malefactor of the drive.Why should he have to do that? Why did the computer not tell him what the problem is. What are computer for anyway?   To solve problems? Or to make life more difficult? No, it is to make money for a industry that claims they are making our life better.

That is what I mean when I say "The user should not have to be a mechanic." He should not have to dissemble the computer to replace the CMOS battery. Or replace any item that is know to fail prematurely.  If the computer needs hardware or software maintenance, why can that not be built into the system and be integrated as a complete package? And don't say the technology is not capable. You know better. We are well into the 21st century. This is not 1975 when and users built their personal computers from a bushel of parts.

End of rant. Quote from: Geek-9pm on October 04, 2011, 12:57:02 PM
But users mare finding the hard drives are 'failing' for some odd reason. The failure rates seem to be higher that one would expect. In a number of cases the drives are bad. But  other cases the failure is not from the hard drive itself.

Who says these things? Just you.
Quote from: Salmon Trout on October 04, 2011, 12:58:59 PM
Who says these things? Just you.

In every topic that is even tangentially related to hard drives, too.


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