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Hi. I'm Bill. I've been messing with computers for years, but not to build or program them, except bits and pieces very rarely.

I've seen how external graphics cards are being used to turn laptops into good graphics/gaming computers, and was wondering if the same could be done for an older (4-5 yo) desktop, and if so, what all would be involved in doing so. Any help appreciated greatly. Here are my rig specs:


      Operating System
         Windows 10 Home 64-bit
      CPU
         AMD FX-8350   34 °C
         Vishera 32nm Technology
      RAM
         16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 798MHz (11-11-11-28)
      Motherboard
         ASRock 970M Pro3 (CPUSocket)   41 °C
      Graphics
         Acer S201HL ([email protected])
         2048MB ATI ASUS HD6450 (ASUStek Computer Inc)   62 °C
      Storage
         931GB Western Digital WDC WD10 EALX-089BA0 SATA Disk Device (SATA )   35 °C
         931GB Western Digital WDC WD10 EZRZ-00Z5HB0 SATA Disk Device (SATA )   34 °C
         57GB SanDisk Ultra USB 3.0 USB Device (USB )
         7GB SanDisk Cruzer USB Device (USB )
      Optical Drives
         ASUS DRW-24B1ST c SATA CdRom Device
      Audio
         Realtek High DEFINITION Audio
Operating System
   Windows 10 Home 64-bit
   Computer type: DesktopHi Bill
With a desktop like yours the fastest communication with a graphics card would be to have one connected to the PCI Express 2.0 x16 Slots (PCIE2: x16 mode; PCIE3: x4. There is no external connections which would come close to the speed of that slot in your computer. Does the computer have a small case with a low wattage power supply that you are looking at external? Thanks for answering.

The power supply is 550 I believe. It might be 650, but I'm pretty sure it is 550. The case of the computer is huge - much bigger than I wanted for the size of the mobo at the time, but that was the deal.

The PCI slots won't accept any graphics card larger than 2 gigs, and to use programs for 3d rendering like DAZ 3D and such, that is pretty much useless. In fact, when I use DAZ, it maxes out my CPU and doesn't seem to use my GPU at all. That's why I was wondering about an external card like what is being advertised for laptops.The PCI slots won't accept any graphics card larger than 2 gigs,

This makes no sense...more info on the PC...Hi
With Daz you need a nvidia graphics card with PLENTY of memory and you need to configure Daz to use the GPU. As a budget card which will work with your 550 watt power supply then this one 

 Geforce GTX 1060 - 6GB VRAM they can be had for $250 or less or better still Geforce GTX 1080 ti - 11GB VRAM you may need a better power supply for this card.
Your motherboard supports either of these cards or in fact any pci express card. You are better staying with nvidia running Daz. Quote from: Lisa_maree on December 23, 2019, 10:14:26 PM

Hi
With Daz you need a nvidia graphics card with plenty of memory and you need to configure Daz to use the GPU. As a budget card which will work with your 550 watt power supply then this one 

 Geforce GTX 1060 - 6GB VRAM they can be had for $250 or less or better still Geforce GTX 1080 ti - 11GB VRAM you may need a better power supply for this card.
Your motherboard supports either of these cards or in fact any pci express card. You are better staying with nvidia running Daz.

When I looked on NewEgg, I could not find any card over 2GB that would plug in to the PCI slots my mobo has. Same on Amazon.

Could you perhaps supply a link to a source with cards that will work with my PCI slot configuration? Or, like the post above, is more information on the computer necessary (I thought I included enough with the PCI slot configuration)?

I'll double check the power supply.

Thank you for your reply.

EDIT: I just realized I didn't supply the mobo infor, just the name. I'll fix that soon. Sorry.

EDIT 2:

Here is the full info on the mobo, and updated info on power supply. Thanks again for answering.


Here is the info on the mobo:

ASRock 970M Pro3 AM3+/AM3 AMD 970 + AMD SB950 6 x SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
Physical Spec
Form Factor
Micro ATX
Power Pin
24 Pin
Features
Features
Support for Socket AM3+ / AM3 Processors
Solid Capacitor design
Supports Dual Channel DDR3 2400+(OC)
2 x PCIe 2.0 x16, 1 x PCIe 2.0 x1, 1 x PCI
7.1 CH HD Audio (Realtek ALC892 Audio Codec), ELNA Audio Caps
6 x SATA3
4 x USB 3.0 (2 Front, 2 Rear), 10 x USB 2.0 (4 Front, 6 Rear)
1 x TPM Header, 1 x IR Header
Supports ASRock Full Spike Protection, X-Boost, APP Shop, High DENSITY Glass Fabric PCB

Unique Feature
ASRock Super Alloy
- Sapphire Black PCB
ASRock Full Spike Protection
ASRock APP Shop

BIOS
- 32MB AMI UEFI Legal BIOS with GUI support
- Supports "Plug and Play"
- ACPI 1.1 Compliant wake up events
- Supports jumperfree
- SMBIOS 2.3.1 support
- CPU, VCCM, NB Voltage multi-adjustment

Software
- ASRock Extreme Tuning Utility (AXTU)
- ASRock APP Charger
- ASRock XFast LAN
- ASRock XFast RAM
- ASRock Restart to UEFI
- ASRock X-Boost
UEFI
- ASRock Instant Boot
- ASRock Instant Flash
- ASRock Internet Flash
- ASRock Crashless BIOS
- ASRock OMG (Online Management Guard)
- ASRock UEFI System Browser
- ASRock UEFI Tech Service
- ASRock Dehumidifier Function
- ASRock Easy RAID Installer
- ASRock Easy Driver Installer
- Turbo 50 / Turbo 60 Overclocking

Support CD
- Drivers, Utilities, AntiVirus Software (Trial Version), Google Chrome Browser and Toolbar, Start8 (30 days trial)

Hardware Monitor
- CPU/Chassis temperature sensing
- CPU/Chassis/Power Fan Tachometer
- CPU/Chassis Quiet Fan (Auto adjust fan speed by CPU temperature)
- CPU/Chassis Fan multi-speed control
- Voltage monitoring: +12V, +5V, +3.3V, CPU Vcore Voltage

OS
- Microsoft Windows 10 64-bit / 8.1 32-bit / 8.1 64-bit / 8 32-bit / 8 64-bit / 7 32-bit / 7 64-bit / Vista 32-bit / Vista 64-bit / XP 32-bit / XP 64-bit

Certifications
- FCC, CE, WHQL
- ErP/EuP ready (ErP/EuP ready power supply is required)


Turns out the power supply is a Corsair 650W Quote from: patio on December 23, 2019, 04:41:45 PM
The PCI slots won't accept any graphics card larger than 2 gigs,

This makes no sense...more info on the PC...

Here is the info on the mobo:

ASRock 970M Pro3 AM3+/AM3 AMD 970 + AMD SB950 6 x SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
Physical Spec
Form Factor
Micro ATX
Power Pin
24 Pin
Features
Features
Support for Socket AM3+ / AM3 Processors
Solid Capacitor design
Supports Dual Channel DDR3 2400+(OC)
2 x PCIe 2.0 x16, 1 x PCIe 2.0 x1, 1 x PCI
7.1 CH HD Audio (Realtek ALC892 Audio Codec), ELNA Audio Caps
6 x SATA3
4 x USB 3.0 (2 Front, 2 Rear), 10 x USB 2.0 (4 Front, 6 Rear)
1 x TPM Header, 1 x IR Header
Supports ASRock Full Spike Protection, X-Boost, APP Shop, High Density Glass Fabric PCB

Unique Feature
ASRock Super Alloy
- Sapphire Black PCB
ASRock Full Spike Protection
ASRock APP Shop

BIOS
- 32MB AMI UEFI Legal BIOS with GUI support
- Supports "Plug and Play"
- ACPI 1.1 Compliant wake up events
- Supports jumperfree
- SMBIOS 2.3.1 support
- CPU, VCCM, NB Voltage multi-adjustment

Software
- ASRock Extreme Tuning Utility (AXTU)
- ASRock APP Charger
- ASRock XFast LAN
- ASRock XFast RAM
- ASRock Restart to UEFI
- ASRock X-Boost
UEFI
- ASRock Instant Boot
- ASRock Instant Flash
- ASRock Internet Flash
- ASRock Crashless BIOS
- ASRock OMG (Online Management Guard)
- ASRock UEFI System Browser
- ASRock UEFI Tech Service
- ASRock Dehumidifier Function
- ASRock Easy RAID Installer
- ASRock Easy Driver Installer
- Turbo 50 / Turbo 60 Overclocking

Support CD
- Drivers, Utilities, AntiVirus Software (Trial Version), Google Chrome Browser and Toolbar, Start8 (30 days trial)

Hardware Monitor
- CPU/Chassis temperature sensing
- CPU/Chassis/Power Fan Tachometer
- CPU/Chassis Quiet Fan (Auto adjust fan speed by CPU temperature)
- CPU/Chassis Fan multi-speed control
- Voltage monitoring: +12V, +5V, +3.3V, CPU Vcore Voltage

OS
- Microsoft Windows 10 64-bit / 8.1 32-bit / 8.1 64-bit / 8 32-bit / 8 64-bit / 7 32-bit / 7 64-bit / Vista 32-bit / Vista 64-bit / XP 32-bit / XP 64-bit

Certifications
- FCC, CE, WHQL
- ErP/EuP ready (ErP/EuP ready power supply is required)


Turns out the power supply is a Corsair 650W

If you need more info than this, please let me know.

Thank you for responding, I appreciate it.Those two PCIe 2.0 x16 slots will accept any modern PCIe graphics card, what's making you think they won't? Where are you reading about this 2gb limit? If you're looking at the PCIe version (i.e. your board being PCIe 2.0 vs the cards being PCIe 3.0, don't worry, those standards are backwards compatible, a PCIe 3.0 card will work fine in a 2.0 slot with little performance penalty) Quote from: camerongray on January 01, 2020, 09:34:15 AM
Those two PCIe 2.0 x16 slots will accept any modern PCIe graphics card, what's making you think they won't? Where are you reading about this 2gb limit? If you're looking at the PCIe version (i.e. your board being PCIe 2.0 vs the cards being PCIe 3.0, don't worry, those standards are backwards compatible, a PCIe 3.0 card will work fine in a 2.0 slot with little performance penalty)

I bought a modern 8 GB card and it wouldn't fit. It was too big - I couldn't even get it down to the slot.

I looked for cards on Amazon and New Egg and the only ones that came up as compatible with my mobo had 2GB or less. Anything over was not recommended.

I'm attaching a photo of my mobo - hopefully the quality is enough to see the graphics card (only PCI card that shows). The graphics card I have is tiny compared to all the 8 GB cards I've looked at. It isn't that they won't fit in the slot, it is that they are just too big for the case because of where the mobo is installed (which is where it has to be installed). I really didn't think that would make a difference when I wanted to upgrade the graphics card, but it seems to do just that.

Maybe there is some sort of expander I can get?

Really, at my wits end with this. Thanks again for your help.Ahh, so it's too big for the case, not a motherboard limitation. In that case measure how much clearance you have and then look at the dimensions of cards, you can get some pretty short depth cards nowadays. Other than that you might be able to use a lower slot or if your case is fairly modular, you might be able to do things like remove drive cages if they are what's blocking the card.

What case are you using? If it's nothing special then it's not too expensive to replace it with a decent case with a lot more clearance for a video card.Many cases have removable drive cages at the front. I had to remove one of the drive cages from my system in order for a 1070 to fit, for example. perhaps this case does too and you never considered it. Quote from: BC_Programmer on January 03, 2020, 02:58:41 PM
Many cases have removable drive cages at the front. I had to remove one of the drive cages from my system in order for a 1070 to fit, for example. perhaps this case does too and you never considered it.
Replacing the case is not an option. Not sure what a "drive cage" is - the cage that holds the hard drives?

Here is a pic of the case (specifications included in this post). The mobo is mounted towards the back, and the graphics card I bought to upgrade ran into the back so it wouldn't fit. Buying cards online makes it pretty difficult to measure them.


Model

Brand
    Rosewill

Model
    TYRFING

Details

Type
    ATX Mid Tower

Color
    Black

Case Material
    Steel / Plastic

With Power Supply
    No

Power Supply Mounted
    Bottom

Motherboard Compatibility
    Micro ATX / ATX / Mini-ITX

Side Panel Window
    Yes

Removable Filter
    Yes

Expansion

External 5.25" Drive Bays
    2

Internal 3.5" Drive Bays
    3 (0)

Internal 2.5" Drive Bays
    0 (3)

Expansion Slots
    7

Front Panel Ports

Front Ports
    1 x USB 3.0 / 2 x USB 2.0 / Audio

Cooling System

Fan Options
    Front: 2 x 120mm fan (1 x 120mm fan pre-installed) or 1 x 140mm fan

    Top: 3 x 120mm fan

    Rear: 1 x 120mm fan (pre-installed)

Radiator Options
    Top - Up to 360mm

Dimensions & Weight

Max GPU Length Allowance
    400 mm

Max CPU Cooler Height Allowance
    160 mm

Dimensions (H x W x D)
    18.11" x 7.87" x 19.69"

Weight
    12.76 lbs.

Additional Info

Features
    NOTICE: Please make sure your motherboard is equipped with on-board USB 3.0 sockets before purchasing.

    ATX Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case with Side Panel Window

    Micro ATX / ATX / Mini-ITX Motherboard Compatibility

    Top-mounted I/O Ports: 1 x USB 3.0 + 2 x USB 2.0

    Advanced Cooling System
    Front 2 x 120mm Fan (1 pre-installed)
    Top 3 x 120mm Fan (optional)
    Rear 1 x 120mm Fan (pre-installed)
    Front 1 x 140mm Fan (optional)

    Supports up to 160mm High CPU Cooler

    Supports up to 360mm Long Liquid-cooling Radiator on Top

    Tool-less 3.5" Installation and Bottom-mounted Dust Filter Quote from: BC_Programmer on January 03, 2020, 02:58:41 PM
Many cases have removable drive cages at the front. I had to remove one of the drive cages from my system in order for a 1070 to fit, for example. perhaps this case does too and you never considered it.

Not sure what a drive cage is - the cage which holds the hard drives?

See my other post above this for case specifications and pic of case.
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The mobo is mounted towards the back, and the graphics card I bought to upgrade ran into the back so it wouldn't fit.

I'm still not quite clear what you mean. is it too long, and running into the drive cage at the front, or is it too fat, and unable to plug in due to other components?

Just eyeballing the case and the motherboard the PCI-E 16x slot should be running into the void space above the HDD cage at the bottom. (In my case I had two cages, and it was the middle one I needed to remove to allow my Graphics card to fit)

All expansion cards will "run into the back" because that is where the ports are. Sometimes it has to be finessed, especially when there are lots of cables around, which looks to be the case based on your photo.

Since the case allows for 400mm cards and there aren't any consumer cards that go beyond 260mm right now that I can find I don't think it is a length ISSUE related to the case itself.
Quote from: BC_Programmer on January 10, 2020, 07:25:13 PM
I'm still not quite clear what you mean. is it too long, and running into the drive cage at the front, or is it too fat, and unable to plug in due to other components?

Just eyeballing the case and the motherboard the PCI-E 16x slot should be running into the void space above the HDD cage at the bottom. (In my case I had two cages, and it was the middle one I needed to remove to allow my Graphics card to fit)

All expansion cards will "run into the back" because that is where the ports are. Sometimes it has to be finessed, especially when there are lots of cables around, which looks to be the case based on your photo.

Since the case allows for 400mm cards and there aren't any consumer cards that go beyond 260mm right now that I can find I don't think it is a length issue related to the case itself.

The card's bracket ran into the back in a way that the card did not line up with the slot. Far as I could tell, this had nothing to do with the drive cage (hard drive cage?).



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