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Hello everybody,

I was uninstalling O&O Defrag 10 from my PC using Revo uninstaller, because I had recently installed O&O Defrag 11.

Upon rebooting my PC I received the following messages: I don't remember the exact order.

The archive for Iobit 360 appears to be corrupted.

Problem with corrupt files in Windows, use CKDSK.

One of the files containing the system's registry data had to be recovered by use of a log or alternate copy. The recovery was successful.

My system became unstable, and remained so after several reboots, I also lost my internet connection.

I rebooted into safe mode with networking but was still unable to get online. I attempted to use System Restore in regular windows mode, but was unsuccessful. I was able, after several attempts, to use system restore in safe mode, restoring the system to the day before. Upon a reboot the system was still unstable.

Under the circumstances I thought perhaps it would be best to attempt to recover my OS from the system recovery partition. I received the following message when making the first attempt.

NTLDR is missing. Problems extracting NET framework.

Upon starting the OS recovery from the recovery partition I started to receive the following several different times:

Problems extracting files.

I then tried to recover the system using the recovery CD's I had made. Again I kept receiving the message:

Problems extracting files.

The first of 5 recovery CD's was ejected and the PC shut down.

Upon restarting the system it seems as if it was going to start up. The Windows sign came on then I got the following message:

Isass.exe System error. An invalid parameter was passed to a service or function. Then the screen and my mouse pointer froze.

Upon a restart the Windows screen appears then a blue screen (Windows DSKCHK) I think, then nothing further.

I'm unable to progress past this point, and am at the limits of my sparse knowledge.

I would to thank everybody in advance for your time on my behalf, and hope someone can advise me on how to proceed.

Thank you, I await your replies.

Enrico










Well just as two possible situations which might be your problem...

There's a strong possibility that this is a virus, unfortunately. The LSASS process manages user logins, and as such is a common target for infections on PCs running various versions of Windows.

The worm can easily exploit the Windows LSASS vulnerability, which is a buffer overrun that allows remote code execution and enables an attacker to gain full control of the affected system. To propagate, it scans the network for vulnerable systems. When it finds a vulnerable system, this malware sends a specially crafted packet to produce a buffer overflow on LSASS.EXE. This worm can cause LSASS to crash and force Windows to restart.

SASSOR Virus varies but can attack the network, Isass.exe and cause crashes. You might WANT to check for that.

Iobit 360 is security software, but also has a range of system tweaks / clean up tools. These clean up tools might of failed, however they create restore points and the restore should of been stable again.

If it is a virus however, it could also hide in your system restore, so might of recovered itself from there.

Disconnect from the net, use a removal tool.

The other possible answer is the hard drive itself is failing or damaged. If it's slightly chipped inside, after use, creates more and more drive errors. Chkdsk will normally fail or create more issues if this is the case. Solution is a replacement drive.

Good LUCK!Quote

The other possible answer is the hard drive itself is failing or damaged. If it's slightly chipped inside, after use, creates more and more drive errors. Chkdsk will normally fail or create more issues if this is the case. Solution is a replacement drive.

This is what happened. a Virus in LSASS would have absolutely nothing to do with the recovery partition having problems extracting files, or of recovery CDs having the same problem.Quote from: BC_Programmer on April 12, 2010, 11:34:58 AM
This is what happened. a Virus in LSASS would have absolutely nothing to do with the recovery partition having problems extracting files, or of recovery CDs having the same problem.
+1
Not only that, checkdisk does NOT create problems.Sounds like SOMETHING went wrong with using Revo uninstaller. Perhaps some items were checked off that were not supposed to be removed. Otherwise BC is probably right and you should probably clone that drive ASAP or run Drive Fitness Test to verify the condition of the HDD.

If the data on the drive is worth the trouble to save then I recommend using a PC with Ubuntu loaded or a Linux recovery Live CD such as SystemRescue, Trinity, or UbuntuRescue. I use UbuntuRescue since it has GNU ddrescue available. Here is a site for quick guidance on usage. You're going to need a HDD of equal or greater size of the current drive to clone it.Checkdisk is great for repairs on corruption, the reason I put the damaged harddrive comment is because...

CHKDSK, when run on a healthy media, will correct errors.

However, CHKDSK on a physical damaged / dying hard drive is basically suicide for your data. CHKDSK is not a data recovery utility. It doesn’t behave like one. Data recovery utilities are cautious. If the sector is not readable, it will leave it be. CHKDSK will tenaciously retry until the data is not recoverable, mark the sector unrecoverable, and basically make recovering data a lot more difficult.If a sector is shot checkdisk will try to move any existing data to another part of the drive and then mark the bad sector as unusable. If checkdisk cannot move the data then the data was unreadable in the first place. Checkdisk does not create problems.Quote from: Azzaboi on April 12, 2010, 04:02:45 PM
However, CHKDSK on a physical damaged / dying hard drive is basically suicide for your data. CHKDSK is not a data recovery utility. It doesn’t behave like one. Data recovery utilities are cautious. If the sector is not readable, it will leave it be. CHKDSK will tenaciously retry until the data is not recoverable, mark the sector unrecoverable, and basically make recovering data a lot more difficult.

your terms a little odd- you define three "sector" types. normal readable sectors, and apparently there are two distinct "issue" sectors. unreadable and unrecoverable. they are the same, though. an unreadable sector is by definition unrecoverable; an unrecoverable sector is unrecoverable because it is unreadable.

chkdsk /r, when doing a surface scan, moves data from sectors that are failing. if the access time takes to LONG, it takes this as a sign that the sector is failing, and copies the data elsewhere and changes the assignment in the MFT or FAT. And marks the original (slow) sector as bad.

Modern hard drives also reassign sectors within their FIRMWARE; the circuitry may determine that a sector is failing by the same logic (long access time) and reallocate that sector to one of it's scratch sectors, automatically. if you run chkdsk in this situation with a bad sector, the drive itself copies the data from that sector to one of the scratch sectors and marks off in it's servo platter that it should remap all requests for data in that sector to the scratch sector it used. chkdsk has no knowledge of this. in fact, the only way to get at this data is via S.M.A.R.T.

In either case, the only reason chkdsk would cause more issues in the case of a physical drive issue (chipped? more like scratched from a head crash) is simply because it's accessing the drive. the same issues would occur with any drive access by any application. It's not an issue with chkdsk- it's an issue with the drive. this is like blaming chkdsk for corrupting your data when your hard drive catches fire.Quote
only way to get at this data is via S.M.A.R.T.
Which brings up the question, Did the OP disable it. Not very smart.
When the hard drive stats to fail in a big way, the OS has limited ability to fix the problem. Time to think about a new hard drive.My sincere thanks to everyone who took the time to reply. However, it appears that none of your advice addresses my issue.

I do not have a virus. It's Isass.exe. Not Lsass.exe.

My PC is unusable, I'm posting from a laptop.

I need to recover my hard drive.

Someone directed me to Artellos ARCDS recovery CD but it didn't work.

If anyone knows how to use Paragon Drive Backup 9.0 Pro please let me know.

I just realized that I had made a verified recovery DVD and Hard disk DVD 4 total backups on 02-07-10.

However, I don't know how to use them.

If anybody can assist me let me know.

Again, thank you all for your time on my behalf thus far.

EnricoQuote from: BC_Programmer on April 12, 2010, 07:02:01 PM
your terms a little odd- you define three "sector" types. normal readable sectors, and apparently there are two distinct "issue" sectors. unreadable and unrecoverable. they are the same, though. an unreadable sector is by definition unrecoverable; an unrecoverable sector is unrecoverable because it is unreadable.

chkdsk /r, when doing a surface scan, moves data from sectors that are failing. if the access time takes to long, it takes this as a sign that the sector is failing, and copies the data elsewhere and changes the assignment in the MFT or FAT. And marks the original (slow) sector as bad.

Modern hard drives also reassign sectors within their firmware; the circuitry may determine that a sector is failing by the same logic (long access time) and reallocate that sector to one of it's scratch sectors, automatically. if you run chkdsk in this situation with a bad sector, the drive itself copies the data from that sector to one of the scratch sectors and marks off in it's servo platter that it should remap all requests for data in that sector to the scratch sector it used. chkdsk has no knowledge of this. in fact, the only way to get at this data is via S.M.A.R.T.

In either case, the only reason chkdsk would cause more issues in the case of a physical drive issue (chipped? more like scratched from a head crash) is simply because it's accessing the drive. the same issues would occur with any drive access by any application. It's not an issue with chkdsk- it's an issue with the drive. this is like blaming chkdsk for corrupting your data when your hard drive catches fire.
Maybe you can help me? I believe what you're saying, but what makes this different?I don't mean to be obtuse, however, are you saying that my hard drive is damaged beyond repair and trying to restore with Artellos or hard drive backups made from Paragon drive backup 9.0 is an exercise in futility?

Should I just buy another hard drive and use the hard drive DVD's to restore my OS on it?

I'm at the absolute limits of my computer knowledge, and this is why I'm trying (in vain this far) to find a workable answer.

Thank you for any answers you might provide.Quote from: Enrico on April 14, 2010, 12:00:17 PM
I do not have a virus. It's Isass.exe. Not Lsass.exe.


if it's called "Isass" then you infected.

Quote from: Computer_Commando on April 14, 2010, 12:23:20 PM
Maybe you can help me? I believe what you're saying, but what makes this different?

the drive itself determines when a sector is bad, and reallocates as necessary; basically what was manual back then is automatic now. Drives also have an extra servo platter that stores the bad sector information as well as having some space set aside to store reallocated sector space.


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