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Quote from: Calum on October 25, 2007, 11:36:47 AM

The norm seems to be that the manufacturer will provide a restore disk.
When used, this reverts the computer to its original state (hopefully) - as in Windows, with the pre-installed software, drivers etc installed.
The obvious disadvantage is that you can never get a totally clean install without buying another OS disk.
Does that answer your question?


I think so.

The purchaser does get a CD that can be used to reinstall Windows.

However, it also installs whatever else the vendor wants to install.
Is that it?


Beyond that,   why did you insert  (hopefully) up there.       There must be something more to that....


Quote from: Calum on October 25, 2007, 11:36:47 AM
P.S. I was lucky enough to get a full Windows disk with my computer, but this is getting rarer nowadays I think.
Definitely. Some vendors don't even ship a restore disc with their computers but uses restore partitions instead. They usually do include a piece of software that allow you to burn your own restore discs, but still. Quote from: WillyW on October 25, 2007, 11:41:26 AM
The purchaser does get a CD that can be used to reinstall Windows.
After a fashion, yes.

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However, it also installs whatever else the vendor wants to install.
Is that it?
Pretty much.
It's not really a reinstallation of Windows, just a restore, something like System Restore that's built in to later versions, but more COMPLETE.  That's the best I can compare it to.

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Beyond that,   why did you insert  (hopefully) up there.       There must be something more to that....
Because it's not a full reinstallation, it doesn't always help.
I know a guy who had soem major issues, he used the restore disk and it didn't help at all.
Some kind of conflicting software/hardware I think, a full XP disk sorted it out though.
And sometimes the restores go wrong too.

Quote from: Deerpark on October 25, 2007, 11:46:42 AM
Quote from: Calum on October 25, 2007, 11:36:47 AM
P.S. I was lucky enough to get a full Windows disk with my computer, but this is getting rarer nowadays I think.
Definitely. Some vendors don't even ship a restore disc with their computers but uses restore partitions instead. They usually do include a piece of software that allow you to burn your own restore discs, but still.
It gets worse and worse . . .
Especially as many less savvy people don't know how to burn a restore disk or why they should do it.
What is the logic behind not providing a Windows disk?
it can's possibly save them any money. Quote from: Deerpark on October 25, 2007, 11:46:42 AM
Quote from: Calum on October 25, 2007, 11:36:47 AM
P.S. I was lucky enough to get a full Windows disk with my computer, but this is getting rarer nowadays I think.
Definitely. Some vendors don't even ship a restore disc with their computers but uses restore partitions instead. They usually do include a piece of software that allow you to burn your own restore discs, but still.

This reminds me.   This is not a new practice.    That computer I bought ages ago,  I remember having to make the install floppies.   Dos 6.0 and Win3.1.


Today, though -  and let's assume that a LOT of people won't take time to make and test a restore CD -   what do the customers do when they corrupt their drive/have a hd die , and have no CD?      I'm thinking that if I were the customer, and had paid for the software,  I'd want something done.

Quote from: Calum on October 25, 2007, 12:14:47 PM
Quote from: WillyW on October 25, 2007, 11:41:26 AM
The purchaser does get a CD that can be used to reinstall Windows.
After a fashion, yes.

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However, it also installs whatever else the vendor wants to install.
Is that it?
Pretty much.
It's not really a reinstallation of Windows, just a restore, something like System Restore that's built in to later versions, but more complete.  That's the best I can compare it to.

It wouldn't reinstall Windows, etc.,  to a completely blank, new hard drive?

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Beyond that,   why did you insert  (hopefully) up there.       There must be something more to that....
Because it's not a full reinstallation, it doesn't always help.
I know a guy who had soem major issues, he used the restore disk and it didn't help at all.
Some kind of conflicting software/hardware I think, a full XP disk sorted it out though.
And sometimes the restores go wrong too.

Doesn't sound good for the vendor.
They'd have to do something for the customer.

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Quote from: Deerpark on October 25, 2007, 11:46:42 AM
Quote from: Calum on October 25, 2007, 11:36:47 AM
P.S. I was lucky enough to get a full Windows disk with my computer, but this is getting rarer nowadays I think.
Definitely. Some vendors don't even ship a restore disc with their computers but uses restore partitions instead. They usually do include a piece of software that allow you to burn your own restore discs, but still.
It gets worse and worse . . .
Especially as many less savvy people don't know how to burn a restore disk or why they should do it.
What is the logic behind not providing a Windows disk?
it can's possibly save them any money.

That's probably it - money.  One way or another.    It is usually the motivating reason for anything.   

I bet you are thinking that the CD itself can't cost that much - and you'd be right.
But suppose you owned the PC factory, and are punching them out and boxing them up, one after another.   You've got a zillion CD pressed, and insert one in every box, right?
Along comes a software update.
Now what?    Pitch all your copies?    Get new ones?     Let alone KEEPING it organized.   Somehow I bet that there is labor involved in it,  and the cost of labor adds up real quick.



Quote from: WillyW on October 25, 2007, 11:19:40 AM
Quote from: Calum on October 25, 2007, 05:35:19 AM
... and having NO WINDOWS DISK TO REMOVE IT ALL!
Sorry, but that's a touchy point for me.   ...


Can you elaborate on this point for me?

Please understand -  I haven't purchased a brand name computer since....
I think it was 1993.   

I would think that if one purchased a brand new computer from any major manufacturer, and it included WinXP or Vista, or whatever is current...  that it would also include the original CD.   Vendor version,  but an original CD nevertheless.   
Else,  how could the purchaser ever reinstall?

From time to time,  reading forums,  I get the feeling that the CD is not included, but I don't think I've ever asked about it.     
If it is not included,  what do people do when they have a problem.... throw away the computer?

So, please.   Tell me about it.    Fill me in.     
What is 'normal' today?


Thanks



GOING back a bit here: another advantage to building your own pc  would be that you get the original  drivers for your motherboard separately.

A year ago customers would still get the restore cd but with new computers all you get is an EXTRA hard drive or at least a PARTITION which would contain all the information needed to restore or fix the windows. As mentioned before me, most of the time this partition never works  properly and barely ever accessible. You may  get the windows cd but again you'll be asked to pay for it may be not the full price but still some amount.but the branded system are alsoo available in market in larg quantity. Bcause most of the offices and colleges institutes, school and universities use branded systems in their organizations.


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