Solve : How much white space.?

1.	Solve : How much white space.?
Answer» This is in Off Topic because it is hard to put in a category. This is based of a UC Berkley report critical of the FCC In this context "WHITE space" means vacant TV frequencies inside the USA. Other couturiers also recognize the concept. In the UK trails have already been running for awhile. What about the USA? In the USA the FCC is dragging its feet. Yes, the UC Berkeley report is now old. But to date the FCC has hardly done anything. In fact, the FCC had approved the idea some time ago. But they are very slow to remove the last barriers to proposed use of the white space in the USA. Here is a informative article done by the University of California at Berkley. It is rather technical. The point is that the university calculates the FCC calculations are very wrong. Yet the FCC has allowed very little of the alleged space. up to even n now. Here is the link. It is a PDF. How much white space has the FCC opened up? Comments or question if you please. Why is this important.......... Quote from: reddevilggg on June 01, 2012, 03:53:31 AM Why is this important.......... Is accessible communication important? At one time Television BROADCASTING was non-resistant. People got along without nit. Then in the 1950s it grew rapidly. eventually 69 channels were specified b y the FCC. ( Channel 37 can not be used.) At one time Cell phones were virtually non-resistant. People got along without them. But by the mod 90s cell towers were built in some of the most remote places of the world. Here we are in 2012 and many rural Americans get internet only over dial-up. The present political administration has ordered that 500 MHz of spectrum space be freed for rural Internet distribution. If you are AMONG the 2 million Americans that do not have quality low-cost Internet, this is important. No, it is not life-threatening to not hate good Internet service. It is just annoying that the same bureaucracy that makes spacious promises is also the one standing in the way of the obvious direction of technical progress. In a nutshell thee is white space available. Maybe not a lot. But enough to make a difference for many Internet aficionados. It is the FCC running slow. (Maybe they never upgrade their desktops.) At the present time WI-Fi (802.11 x)can offer you 11 channels. (More or less in other regions.) And the range is very limited. The FCC estimated, in effect, the range could be increase by a magnitude or more with little interference issues if deployed in rural areas. OK, those are not the exact WORDS. The tech stuff gets kind of deep and it is seldom accurate. The charts in the UC of Berkeley report SHOWS that overall you could have a CDFF of .5 or better of having a lot of white space in any area. If you use a more liberal way of finding the white space. If deployed liberally, and allowing occasional disruptions and indifference, regional withe space internet connection could average over the 1.5 Mbps for T1 or DSL. And would be free. It can be paid by the local government. It would cost less than having street lights. It would increase productively in areas that now lack good Internet. It can improve the educational quality of brutal schools. The technology has already been available for some time. Manufactures are not going to produce the equipment as long as one lower part part of the government ignores the mandate of the higher level of government. This does not have to be a political issue. Example.: Some protest the changes would interfere with wireless microphones. Solution - give anybody that has an old wireless mike a new wireless microphone free. (There is a glut of free spectrum space for wireless microphones. Current microphones do not use the spectrum well.) Quote Example.: Some protest the changes would interfere with wireless microphones. Solution - give anybody that has an old wireless mike a new wireless microphone free. (There is a glut of free spectrum space for wireless microphones. Current microphones do not use the spectrum well.) Sillier solution than the article itself... Quote from: patio on June 01, 2012, 12:46:31 PM Sillier solution than the article itself... No it is not! It is very real. Why? When the FCC ruled against analog TV, the US government offered a $40 rebate to every owner of an old TV set. That was rather costly, but it allowed progress to enter. Therefore, if a few people with wireless mikes are going to stop the use of the white space, let the government buy them new microphones that conform to higher standards already in effect. Really. It is, ostensibly, one of the white space issues. Google: wireless microphone frequencies OR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_microphone Quote There is currently a movement to allow the operation of personal unlicensed, wideband digital devices in the UHF television spectrum in the United States. These devices are backed by firms which seek to develop and deploy these devices as quickly as possible. These 'white space' devices (WSDs) will be required to have GPS and access to a location database to avoid interfering with other users of the band. Initial tests performed by the FCC have shown that in some cases, prototypes of these devices are unable to correctly identify frequencies that are in use, and may therefore accidentally transmit on top of these users. Broadcasters, theaters, and wireless microphone manufacturers are firmly against these types of devices ostensibly for this reason. the FCC approved the unlicensed use of 'White Space' in November of 2008.And as is mentioned in another article (also presented by Geek) their is an actual FCC approved trial of this phenomenon currently underway in Wilmington N.C. by 2 separate Wi-Fi service providers.It appears that rightly or wrongly the FCC is moving very slowly on this issue because the TV lobby has a concern that the use of the white space WILL interfere with their television signal broadcast (which apparently has been disproved).truenorth Thank you truenorth, In another blog I said everybody knows what 'unlicensed' is. Apparently it takes the FCC three years to understand what 'unlicensed' means. They want to give permission for .you to be 'unlicensed'. Now if you want to get married, most states and other jurisdictions require a marriage license. But if you just want to give her a kiss., no license is needed. Permission? Write a letter to her father for permission? It will take three years if he also works for the FCC! Unlicensed wireless microphones are already in use on white space, as mentioned earlier. Did they need permission?

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This is in Off Topic because it is hard to put in a category.
This is based of a UC Berkley report critical of the FCC

In this context "WHITE space" means vacant TV frequencies inside the USA. Other couturiers also recognize the concept. In the UK trails have already been running for awhile. What about the USA?

In the USA the FCC is dragging its feet.

Yes, the UC Berkeley report is now old. But to date the FCC has hardly done anything. In fact, the FCC had approved the idea some time ago. But they are very slow to remove the last barriers to proposed use of the white space in the USA. Here is a informative article done by the University of California at Berkley. It is rather technical. The point is that the university calculates the FCC calculations are very wrong. Yet the FCC has allowed very little of the alleged space. up to even n now.
Here is the link. It is a PDF.
How much white space has the FCC opened up?

Comments or question if you please.

Why is this important..........
Quote from: reddevilggg on June 01, 2012, 03:53:31 AM

Why is this important..........

Is accessible communication important?

At one time Television BROADCASTING was non-resistant. People got along without nit. Then in the 1950s it grew rapidly. eventually 69 channels were specified b y the FCC. ( Channel 37 can not be used.)

At one time Cell phones were virtually non-resistant. People got along without them. But by the mod 90s cell towers were built in some of the most remote places of the world.

Here we are in 2012 and many rural Americans get internet only over dial-up. The present political administration has ordered that 500 MHz of spectrum space be freed for rural Internet distribution.

If you are AMONG the 2 million Americans that do not have quality low-cost Internet, this is important. No, it is not life-threatening to not hate good Internet service. It is just annoying that the same bureaucracy that makes spacious promises is also the one standing in the way of the obvious direction of technical progress.

In a nutshell thee is white space available. Maybe not a lot. But enough to make a difference for many Internet aficionados. It is the FCC running slow. (Maybe they never upgrade their desktops.)

At the present time WI-Fi (802.11 x)can offer you 11 channels. (More or less in other regions.) And the range is very limited. The FCC estimated, in effect, the range could be increase by a magnitude or more with little interference issues if deployed in rural areas.

OK, those are not the exact WORDS. The tech stuff gets kind of deep and it is seldom accurate. The charts in the UC of Berkeley report SHOWS that overall you could have a CDFF of .5 or better of having a lot of white space in any area. If you use a more liberal way of finding the white space.

If deployed liberally, and allowing occasional disruptions and indifference, regional withe space internet connection could average over the 1.5 Mbps for T1 or DSL. And would be free. It can be paid by the local government. It would cost less than having street lights. It would increase productively in areas that now lack good Internet. It can improve the educational quality of brutal schools.

The technology has already been available for some time. Manufactures are not going to produce the equipment as long as one lower part part of the government ignores the mandate of the higher level of government. This does not have to be a political issue.

Example.: Some protest the changes would interfere with wireless microphones. Solution - give anybody that has an old wireless mike a new wireless microphone free. (There is a glut of free spectrum space for wireless microphones. Current microphones do not use the spectrum well.)
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Example.: Some protest the changes would interfere with wireless microphones. Solution - give anybody that has an old wireless mike a new wireless microphone free. (There is a glut of free spectrum space for wireless microphones. Current microphones do not use the spectrum well.)

Sillier solution than the article itself... Quote from: patio on June 01, 2012, 12:46:31 PM

Sillier solution than the article itself...

No it is not! It is very real.
Why? When the FCC ruled against analog TV, the US government offered a $40 rebate to every owner of an old TV set. That was rather costly, but it allowed progress to enter.
Therefore, if a few people with wireless mikes are going to stop the use of the white space, let the government buy them new microphones that conform to higher standards already in effect.
Really. It is, ostensibly, one of the white space issues.
Google:
wireless microphone frequencies
OR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_microphone
Quote

There is currently a movement to allow the operation of personal unlicensed, wideband digital devices in the UHF television spectrum in the United States. These devices are backed by firms which seek to develop and deploy these devices as quickly as possible. These 'white space' devices (WSDs) will be required to have GPS and access to a location database to avoid interfering with other users of the band. Initial tests performed by the FCC have shown that in some cases, prototypes of these devices are unable to correctly identify frequencies that are in use, and may therefore accidentally transmit on top of these users. Broadcasters, theaters, and wireless microphone manufacturers are firmly against these types of devices ostensibly for this reason.

the FCC approved the unlicensed use of 'White Space' in November of 2008.And as is mentioned in another article (also presented by Geek) their is an actual FCC approved trial of this phenomenon currently underway in Wilmington N.C. by 2 separate Wi-Fi service providers.It appears that rightly or wrongly the FCC is moving very slowly on this issue because the TV lobby has a concern that the use of the white space WILL interfere with their television signal broadcast (which apparently has been disproved).truenorth Thank you truenorth,
In another blog I said everybody knows what 'unlicensed' is. Apparently it takes the FCC three years to understand what 'unlicensed' means.

They want to give permission for .you to be 'unlicensed'.

Now if you want to get married, most states and other jurisdictions require a marriage license. But if you just want to give her a kiss., no license is needed. Permission? Write a letter to her father for permission? It will take three years if he also works for the FCC!

Unlicensed wireless microphones are already in use on white space, as mentioned earlier. Did they need permission?

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