Solve : No, I Don't Want to Scan and Fix!?

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Answer» Ever since I replaced my hard drive, which also changed my system from XP to 7, I get a screen that asks me if I want to scan and fix my iPod and my Samsung Galaxy S phone whenever I plug them in. It asked similar questions with USB sticks, but once I said "yes" one time and one time only, it has stopped asking. (Incidentally, it has never found a problem with any of the drives when I allow it to scan.) So it appears that there's something about a DEVICE that isn't strictly memory. Recap: It's happening on my Dell Latitude running Win 7; I haven't seen this on any other computers. It doesn't matter which USB slot I plug into; it happens in all slots, not just one or two of them. It started when I put in a NEW hard drive. It happens when I plug in iPod Nano Generation 5 and my Samsung Galaxy S, not when I plug in USB sticks or an iOmega 500GB drive. Thoughts?It actually now also happens when I plug in my iOmega drive. It still does NOT occur when I plug in a stick that's already been scanned once.When i connect my BB, Kapersky asks me if i want it to scan the drive. It sees the mem/mem card as a drive i guess, but i don't KNOW that that's you're type of issue. Do you need apps or drivers for you're devices on the new drive?Found this one: http://windows.bigresource.com/Track-vista-P9s20zAL/Will give all that a try. Seems like "Big Resource.com" is like the CH for 13 year olds?How are disconnecting these devices? Are you just unplugging them or do you tell Windows to safely remove them before unplugging them? This message often comes up when you plug in media devices to a Vista or Seven system that weren't released properly before being unplugged.I was under the impression that using "Eject iPod" in iTunes, and "unmount"ing my phone would safely disconnect...? Nevertheless, I never use the "Safely Remove Hardware" option, and yet some drives consistently give me the "Scan and Fix?" and some drives consistently do not. Quote from: rjbinney on November 10, 2010, 09:24:59 PM I was under the impression that using "Eject iPod" in iTunes, and "unmount"ing my phone would safely disconnect...? Maybe, maybe not. (I have neither a phone nor an iPod so I truly don't know) Quote Nevertheless, I never use the "Safely Remove Hardware" option, and yet some drives consistently give me the "Scan and Fix?" and some drives consistently do not. The "scan and Fix" dialog is only shown if the Filesystem was ejected prematurely; if you don't scan & fix a drive, it will continue to display that dialog when you plug it in until you do. Also, the "dirty" bit isn't new with 7 or Vista, it's been there for ages; what's new is that when windows detects a new drive it checks that bit, and if it's dirty it suggests that you scan and Fix it. Once you run scandisk, that bit is reset; however, if you eject it prematurely then it will be set again if there are opened handles (I'm not sure how it works, I guess when you or something opens a file on the drive the bit is set, and when they are all closed the bit is reset, so if not everything is closed and you remove the drive the bit will be set when you plug it back in). As you've stated, with some drives the dialog appears consistently, with others, it doesn't. Clearly something is being handled differently between them (for example, does it appear consistently with your phone/iPod? If so, it sounds like the Eject iPod and unmount options aren't enough, and they aren't truly ejecting the USB device, but just making it unavailable. Thankfully, with Windows 7, removing a USB device is a two click process. (technically, it was a two-click process with Vista/XP/2K too, but nobody ever seemed to bother to try left-clicking the notification icon)Try this one : http://www.futureofrealestatetechnology.com/general-real-estate-technology/resolve-vista-scan-and-fix-error-when-plugging-in-ipod-or-other-devices/Quote from: jason2074 on November 11, 2010, 12:55:48 AM Try this one : http://www.futureofrealestatetechnology.com/general-real-estate-technology/resolve-vista-scan-and-fix-error-when-plugging-in-ipod-or-other-devices/ the linked "article" is full of misinformation.Pretty short article to be "full" of misinformation; but what specifically is incorrect? (Just in case?) Thanks. (I got into the habit of not ejecting because my 500GB drive is, apparently, ALWAYS "in use and cannot be ejected at this time", even when I have no software other than Windows running)Quote from: rjbinney on November 12, 2010, 05:15:51 AM Pretty short article to be "full" of misinformation; but what specifically is incorrect? (Just in case?) Alright, I'll go through it sequentially. Quote I spoke with a member friday evening that said after setting up Vista home premium his computer would give him an error to Scan and Fix his IPOD. It's not an error. Quote The reason for the error is that his IPOD was formatted FAT32 on Windows XP Dead wrong. Quote What happens is the device was not properly dismounted by Windows XP and there is an archival bit set that Vista needs to reset before it will stop reporting there is an error. It's right that it wasn't properly ejected; but it's wrong about the "archival" bit. The rest goes through the process of running chkdsk /f, as an alternative to running scandisk (the program that runs when you choose "scan and fix".). Thing is, they both use autochk to check the drives and autochk reset the dirty bit. Quote from: rjbinney on November 12, 2010, 05:15:51 AM (I got into the habit of not ejecting because my 500GB drive is, apparently, ALWAYS "in use and cannot be ejected at this time", even when I have no software other than Windows running) If it's an external fixed disk, you'll PROBABLY have to disable system restore on that drive. Otherwise windows always holds the "System Volume Information" folder open. Quote from: BC_Programmer on November 11, 2010, 12:44:24 AM Thankfully, with Windows 7, removing a USB device is a two click process. (technically, it was a two-click process with Vista/XP/2K too, but nobody ever seemed to bother to try left-clicking the notification icon) I love that. People are so amazed when I show them that. haha Quote from: rjbinney on November 12, 2010, 05:15:51 AM (I got into the habit of not ejecting because my 500GB drive is, apparently, ALWAYS "in use and cannot be ejected at this time", even when I have no software other than Windows running) This can also be a sign of an infection on either the system or the drive (or both since it's plugged in). (Not saying you're infected. Just saying.) Anyway, BC's analysis of that article is pretty much spot on.Quote from: quaxo on November 12, 2010, 09:07:58 AM I love that. People are so amazed when I show them that. so TRUE. I had to copy something from a friends flash drive once back in school (win2k systems) and their jaw figuratively hit the floor when I dismounted it in two clicks. I think their immediate response after unplugging it was to plug it back in and say "wait... do that again..." . The thing is, some people might think "they should have made it more obvious" but really, it's everybody else that was doing it wrong; the UI guidelines were quite clear in regards to notification icons; left click should be for "whatever users most likely want to see"; this would clearly be the case for the simple listing shown by the Safely remove hardware icon; the Right-Click menu is for a more "advanced" context menu; it passes that as well. So why do people want to right click them? all the other programs were interacting with the user with right-clicks. With many applications that displayed a Notification Icon almost all of them did either nothing when you left-clicked them or they just showed their main window. Right-click is what gave you the more useful options. So now, as always, MS has to pretend it was them that was doing it wrong the whole time. (hey, it's easier to change stuff built into windows then every single released application that get's the details wrong) Quote This can also be a sign of an infection on either the system or the drive For some reason I never even considered that possibility. Truth be told I actually just made up that stuff about system restore. I'm not really sure whether System restore even works with external drives, nor wether it keeps a open handle to System Volume Information. It sort of makes sense though.

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Ever since I replaced my hard drive, which also changed my system from XP to 7, I get a screen that asks me if I want to scan and fix my iPod and my Samsung Galaxy S phone whenever I plug them in.

It asked similar questions with USB sticks, but once I said "yes" one time and one time only, it has stopped asking. (Incidentally, it has never found a problem with any of the drives when I allow it to scan.)

So it appears that there's something about a DEVICE that isn't strictly memory.

Recap:

It's happening on my Dell Latitude running Win 7; I haven't seen this on any other computers.

It doesn't matter which USB slot I plug into; it happens in all slots, not just one or two of them.

It started when I put in a NEW hard drive.

It happens when I plug in iPod Nano Generation 5 and my Samsung Galaxy S, not when I plug in USB sticks or an iOmega 500GB drive.

Thoughts?It actually now also happens when I plug in my iOmega drive. It still does NOT occur when I plug in a stick that's already been scanned once.When i connect my BB, Kapersky asks me if i want it to scan the drive. It sees the mem/mem card as a drive i guess, but i don't KNOW that that's you're type of issue. Do you need apps or drivers for you're devices on the new drive?Found this one: http://windows.bigresource.com/Track-vista-P9s20zAL/Will give all that a try. Seems like "Big Resource.com" is like the CH for 13 year olds?How are disconnecting these devices? Are you just unplugging them or do you tell Windows to safely remove them before unplugging them?

This message often comes up when you plug in media devices to a Vista or Seven system that weren't released properly before being unplugged.I was under the impression that using "Eject iPod" in iTunes, and "unmount"ing my phone would safely disconnect...?

Nevertheless, I *never* use the "Safely Remove Hardware" option, and yet some drives consistently give me the "Scan and Fix?" and some drives consistently do not. Quote from: rjbinney on November 10, 2010, 09:24:59 PM

I was under the impression that using "Eject iPod" in iTunes, and "unmount"ing my phone would safely disconnect...?

Maybe, maybe not. (I have neither a phone nor an iPod so I truly don't know)

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Nevertheless, I *never* use the "Safely Remove Hardware" option, and yet some drives consistently give me the "Scan and Fix?" and some drives consistently do not.

The "scan and Fix" dialog is only shown if the Filesystem was ejected prematurely; if you don't scan & fix a drive, it will continue to display that dialog when you plug it in until you do.

Also, the "dirty" bit isn't new with 7 or Vista, it's been there for ages; what's new is that when windows detects a new drive it checks that bit, and if it's dirty it suggests that you scan and Fix it.

Once you run scandisk, that bit is reset; however, if you eject it prematurely then it will be set again if there are opened handles (I'm not sure how it works, I guess when you or something opens a file on the drive the bit is set, and when they are all closed the bit is reset, so if not everything is closed and you remove the drive the bit will be set when you plug it back in).

As you've stated, with some drives the dialog appears consistently, with others, it doesn't. Clearly something is being handled differently between them (for example, does it appear consistently with your phone/iPod? If so, it sounds like the Eject iPod and unmount options aren't enough, and they aren't truly ejecting the USB device, but just making it unavailable.

Thankfully, with Windows 7, removing a USB device is a two click process. (technically, it was a two-click process with Vista/XP/2K too, but nobody ever seemed to bother to try left-clicking the notification icon)Try this one : http://www.futureofrealestatetechnology.com/general-real-estate-technology/resolve-vista-scan-and-fix-error-when-plugging-in-ipod-or-other-devices/Quote from: jason2074 on November 11, 2010, 12:55:48 AM

Try this one : http://www.futureofrealestatetechnology.com/general-real-estate-technology/resolve-vista-scan-and-fix-error-when-plugging-in-ipod-or-other-devices/

the linked "article" is full of misinformation.Pretty short article to be "full" of misinformation; but what specifically is incorrect? (Just in case?)

Thanks.

(I got into the habit of not ejecting because my 500GB drive is, apparently, ALWAYS "in use and cannot be ejected at this time", even when I have no software other than Windows running)Quote from: rjbinney on November 12, 2010, 05:15:51 AM

Pretty short article to be "full" of misinformation; but what specifically is incorrect? (Just in case?)

Alright, I'll go through it sequentially.

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I spoke with a member friday evening that said after setting up Vista home premium his computer would give him an error to Scan and Fix his IPOD.

It's not an error.

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The reason for the error is that his IPOD was formatted FAT32 on Windows XP

Dead wrong.

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What happens is the device was not properly dismounted by Windows XP and there is an archival bit set that Vista needs to reset before it will stop reporting there is an error.

It's right that it wasn't properly ejected; but it's wrong about the "archival" bit.

The rest goes through the process of running chkdsk /f, as an alternative to running scandisk (the program that runs when you choose "scan and fix".).

Thing is, they both use autochk to check the drives and autochk reset the dirty bit.

Quote from: rjbinney on November 12, 2010, 05:15:51 AM

(I got into the habit of not ejecting because my 500GB drive is, apparently, ALWAYS "in use and cannot be ejected at this time", even when I have no software other than Windows running)

If it's an external fixed disk, you'll PROBABLY have to disable system restore on that drive. Otherwise windows always holds the "System Volume Information" folder open.

Quote from: BC_Programmer on November 11, 2010, 12:44:24 AM

Thankfully, with Windows 7, removing a USB device is a two click process. (technically, it was a two-click process with Vista/XP/2K too, but nobody ever seemed to bother to try left-clicking the notification icon)

I love that. People are so amazed when I show them that. haha

Quote from: rjbinney on November 12, 2010, 05:15:51 AM

(I got into the habit of not ejecting because my 500GB drive is, apparently, ALWAYS "in use and cannot be ejected at this time", even when I have no software other than Windows running)

This can also be a sign of an infection on either the system or the drive (or both since it's plugged in). (Not saying you're infected. Just saying.) Anyway, BC's analysis of that article is pretty much spot on.Quote from: quaxo on November 12, 2010, 09:07:58 AM

I love that. People are so amazed when I show them that.

so TRUE. I had to copy something from a friends flash drive once back in school (win2k systems) and their jaw figuratively hit the floor when I dismounted it in two clicks. I think their immediate response after unplugging it was to plug it back in and say "wait... do that again..." .

The thing is, some people might think "they should have made it more obvious" but really, it's everybody else that was doing it wrong; the UI guidelines were quite clear in regards to notification icons; left click should be for "whatever users most likely want to see"; this would clearly be the case for the simple listing shown by the Safely remove hardware icon; the Right-Click menu is for a more "advanced" context menu; it passes that as well.

So why do people want to right click them? all the other programs were interacting with the user with right-clicks. With many applications that displayed a Notification Icon almost all of them did either nothing when you left-clicked them or they just showed their main window. Right-click is what gave you the more useful options.

So now, as always, MS has to pretend it was them that was doing it wrong the whole time. (hey, it's easier to change stuff built into windows then every single released application that get's the details wrong)

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This can also be a sign of an infection on either the system or the drive

For some reason I never even considered that possibility. Truth be told I actually just made up that stuff about system restore. I'm not really sure whether System restore even works with external drives, nor wether it keeps a open handle to System Volume Information. It sort of makes sense though.

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