Solve : DVD drive and HDD failed together??

1.	Solve : DVD drive and HDD failed together??
Answer» My son put a CD into his DVD drive to listen to a track, and the PC crashed. It then started to cycle through restart up to the Windows Logo, then a very brief BSOD, then restart. This it did constantly with the option to Start windows normally/Safe mode etc. I got into BIOS and had the option to 'Test Hard Drive' This resulted in a 'Fail'. I had a spare drive & installed it. This tested OK, but as it was a formatted drive, I now needed to reinstall Windows XP. I set the DVD drive as first boot and inserted the disc. I got the message 'Missing Boot Sector' ect. The DVD drive is not spinning up at all, but the light is flashing, so I am assuming this is faulty also. Could the one take the other out or is this just co-incidence? I have managed to locate a replacement DVD drive, but am waiting for it to arrive. Laptop HP Presario V4000 running XP Home. Regards to all AlexmaThis may be part of a conspiracy. Make sure you make clear notes of exactly what happened and when. Yes, it could be a coincidence.Maybe not. Recently, many people are having their DVD drives fail on them and also having problems with the operating system. It sounds like some kind of virus. But we don't know for sure. I had a Word Press blog up on my own site and I speculated about how the big companies were trying to destroy the DVD drives because they don't want people making copies of movies. Sometime after I posted that, my website went down, and even the host provider went out of business. Must be just a coincidence? But stay tuned. Maybe we'll get to the bottom of this yet! If you click this link, Big Brother might see you. http://www.info-mech.com/drm_flaws.html Hey Geek, I think you nailed it!!! The CD in question I had just burnt for him using a well known P to P site (We'll call it 'Lemoncable' so as not to offend anyone) on my old desktop PC. I have just checked the drive on that PC and it appears to be OK. Anyway, that CD is now 'Coaster' & that 'Site' uninstalled, I have always had doubts about P2P sites. You have just confirmed this to me. Many many thanks. When the new (used) drive arrives I will post back with the outcome. Alexma. PS. Any thoughts on the HDD failure at the same time???Quote PS. Any thoughts on the HDD failure at the same time??? if someone were to create a program to cause damage to something specific in your computer, such a program would hardly be tested and analyze to make sure it does not do any other damage. So one would guess that such a careless program could possibly have a bug in the that would cause more damage than what the author intended. Even well designed commercial programs may have defects that cause unexpected damage. A case in point is the Windows XP service pack 3. When a certain version of the Norton antivirus software is running it can interfere with the proper installation of Windows XP 3. This was documented by Microsoft. How many other things like that have happened we don't really know. And yes, it is true about the digital rights issue. Some companies have put stuff into their software or hardware to prevent you from making CD or DVD burns. This also has been documented, but lately they don't talk much more about the issue. Everybody has just assumed that the issue has gone away. Not very likely, the DRM is still something that the companies are trying to push on people whether they wanted or not. One other more obvious possibility is an issue with the SATA (or IDE) controller on the MB. It would affect both.I remember that blog that geek wrote about that day he couldn't find that block of cheddar he swore he had purchased the day before, instead, he found a loaf of whole grain bread in it's place. His conclusion was that the fibre police had replaced his block(ing) cheese with a nice bulk filled loaf of whole grain bread. Then he remembered the sandwich he had made, where he had placed the cheese in the wrong location in his refrigerator. Or that other time that he couldn't find the plug to his bathtub, and insisted that it was secret agents sent from the water company in order to make him use more water by showering and therefore be billed more for his water usage. The fact that he never had a plug was redundant, since the agents had simply changed his memories to make him he had never had a plug. Or that time that he was walking through the park and caught a errant softball. Not content to call it a stroke of luck that he happened to catch it, he relegated himself to his study, LOOKING at the history of softball and it's greats, intent that his consciousness is in fact that of one of a star softball player transplanted into his body, with all memories of his past life removed so as not to attract attention. He came to the logical assumption that this was done by a bubble-gum company in some sort of convoluted plot to sell bubble gum. He presented to his readers a wad of cotton, a piece of swiss cheese, and a dead pigeon as his evidence. His readership dropped sharply at this point, no doubt the bubble-gum company had some contacts in his ISP and was calling in a few favours to cause a Denial of Service on his web site. There was also the instance where he lost his razor, and was required to purchase a new one. Upon returning home, he found his old razor in his kitchen, at which point he remembered he was in a rush and needed to shave quickly in the kitchen. Or DID he? not content with this completely logical explanation, it was completely clear to him what happened- he had not purchased a new razor in at least 5 years, and the razor companies were NOT amused. So, they sent operatives into his house to misplace his razor, and implanted memories in him where he used it there, making it seem like an innocent brain fart. But his cunning mind is not easily fooled by such deception! Much like his recent quarrel about the spelling of the word "Dilemma" all his life he had spelled it dilemna, but it turns out it was actually spelled dilemma, and he was unable to find any authoritative source where it was spelled with an n. Was he discouraged? No! Of course, he saw right through the terrorists plot, this was evidently a plot by Al Queda to create unrest amongst the Public of the both the English speaking countries as well as France (where a similar plot he unravelled related to Dilemme). By dividing the nation in two, they hoped to cause a civil war, whereby one side believed it was spelled one way, and the other side spelled it the other, thus weakening the nation to allow a brutal takeover at the hands of The evil DRM, (Derek Reginald McTyver). Obviously, thanks to his superior intellect and unmatched cunning, he was spelling it properly- Dilemna, despite it not appearing anywhere. The reason was obvious- it wasn't because he was spelling it wrong, but because the terrorists were using an alien device and had travelled backwards through time and erased and changed all references to the spelling with an n. The reason he was unaffected was simple, his SHOWER (where he had no plug at that time, by the way, thanks to the water company secret agents) had not been cleaned in some time, and over that time it had some mildew buildup. apparently this particular strain of mildew had some sort of temporal dampening affect on him (it's the only logical explanation, after all) and caused him to remain unaffected by the changes to the timeline performed by these terrorists. This theory was later confirmed by his observation of his block of cheddar forming a protective temporal barrier around itself (everybody knows that dairy products try to protect themselves from being affected by temporal disturbances, this is a well known fact- ask any yogurt maker). Most would call it mould, or possibly become sick, but he knew BETTER, and used his special cheese to make a sandwich. Upon his return from the hospital, he theorized that he had been fooled all along, and was in fact under the control of a criminal organization known as the W3C. He came to this conclusion when he discovered that capitalizing the first letter of HTML tags was in fact not the standard. Since he was 100% correct, the only explanation was that somebody was purposely trying to sabotage his site by going back in time and changing the standard to not use a capital letter as the INITIAL letter. Of course he was unaffected because of his larger brain capacity, as well as the fact that he had been in a coma due to the ingestion of the aforementioned temporal resistant cheese. unravelling this latest evil plot will be just another feather in Geek-9pm's feather filled hat, as you can see he has quite a history if unravelling these types of plots. It's practically second nature. Quote from: Geek-9pm on May 25, 2010, 05:09:27 PM Even well designed commercial programs may have defects that cause unexpected damage. A case in point is the Windows XP service pack 3. When a certain version of the Norton antivirus software is running it can interfere with the proper installation of Windows XP 3. This was documented by Microsoft. How many other things like that have happened we don't really know. If a person had followed the instructions for installing the service pack they should be running any AV program when they install any service pack anyway. the fact is that problems can occur when you are running any AV and try to install a service pack. It's a result of the way AV programs work to protect the very files that need to be updated. Wow, that's amazing, BC_ programmer. How could you possibly have known that I am a lover of cheddar cheese? But why didn't you go on to mention the health benefits of cheddar cheese and how it helps clear your mind? As you know, cheddar cheese is now made all over the world. In the 12th century the King of England ordered a huge quantity of cheddar cheese. That was the product from a village named Cheddar in England. Did you know that cheddar cheese as 0 g of carbohydrates? It is protein and fat. Gives you energy without unduly raising your blood sugar. Those for us diabetics it's the excellent snack. Of course it has some other health benefits which are difficult to explain. If he cheddar cheese on a regular basis it can reduce your need for antidepressants. But I know that this is one of those things you like and find out by trial and error. You have to try it for yourself. Now getting back to talk to our original TOPIC. When something happens, like a hard drive or DVD I drive failure, I need some cheddar cheese. That does not fix the drive, but it makes me feel better. Quote from: alexma on May 25, 2010, 01:36:44 PM I set the DVD drive as first boot and inserted the disc. I got the message 'Missing Boot Sector' ect. It's a bad disk or you didn't burn it right. Try another bootable disk.Thanks JJ. I'm sure the DVD drive is toast as I tried my 'Superboot' disc as well (which always works for me) & it did not even start to spin up. The disc I burned was just a Music CD, not a bootable disc. Sorry for any confusion. AlexmaAre the drives PATA or SATA?The drives are PATA (IDE) Not SATA Too old for SATA, Alexma

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My son put a CD into his DVD drive to listen to a track, and the PC crashed. It then started to cycle through restart up to the Windows Logo, then a very brief BSOD, then restart. This it did constantly with the option to Start windows normally/Safe mode etc. I got into BIOS and had the option to 'Test Hard Drive' This resulted in a 'Fail'. I had a spare drive & installed it. This tested OK, but as it was a formatted drive, I now needed to reinstall Windows XP. I set the DVD drive as first boot and inserted the disc. I got the message 'Missing Boot Sector' ect. The DVD drive is not spinning up at all, but the light is flashing, so I am assuming this is faulty also. Could the one take the other out or is this just co-incidence? I have managed to locate a replacement DVD drive, but am waiting for it to arrive. Laptop HP Presario V4000 running XP Home. Regards to all AlexmaThis may be part of a conspiracy. Make sure you make clear notes of exactly what happened and when. Yes, it could be a coincidence.Maybe not.

Recently, many people are having their DVD drives fail on them and also having problems with the operating system. It sounds like some kind of virus. But we don't know for sure.

I had a Word Press blog up on my own site and I speculated about how the big companies were trying to destroy the DVD drives because they don't want people making copies of movies.

Sometime after I posted that, my website went down, and even the host provider went out of business. Must be just a coincidence?
But stay tuned. Maybe we'll get to the bottom of this yet!

If you click this link, Big Brother might see you.
http://www.info-mech.com/drm_flaws.html
Hey Geek, I think you nailed it!!! The CD in question I had just burnt for him using a well known P to P site (We'll call it 'Lemoncable' so as not to offend anyone) on my old desktop PC. I have just checked the drive on that PC and it appears to be OK. Anyway, that CD is now 'Coaster' & that 'Site' uninstalled, I have always had doubts about P2P sites. You have just confirmed this to me. Many many thanks. When the new (used) drive arrives I will post back with the outcome. Alexma. PS. Any thoughts on the HDD failure at the same time???Quote

PS. Any thoughts on the HDD failure at the same time???

if someone were to create a program to cause damage to something specific in your computer, such a program would hardly be tested and analyze to make sure it does not do any other damage. So one would guess that such a careless program could possibly have a bug in the that would cause more damage than what the author intended.

Even well designed commercial programs may have defects that cause unexpected damage. A case in point is the Windows XP service pack 3. When a certain version of the Norton antivirus software is running it can interfere with the proper installation of Windows XP 3. This was documented by Microsoft. How many other things like that have happened we don't really know.

And yes, it is true about the digital rights issue. Some companies have put stuff into their software or hardware to prevent you from making CD or DVD burns. This also has been documented, but lately they don't talk much more about the issue. Everybody has just assumed that the issue has gone away. Not very likely, the DRM is still something that the companies are trying to push on people whether they wanted or not.
One other more obvious possibility is an issue with the SATA (or IDE) controller on the MB. It would affect both.I remember that blog that geek wrote about that day he couldn't find that block of cheddar he swore he had purchased the day before, instead, he found a loaf of whole grain bread in it's place. His conclusion was that the fibre police had replaced his block(ing) cheese with a nice bulk filled loaf of whole grain bread.

Then he remembered the sandwich he had made, where he had placed the cheese in the wrong location in his refrigerator.

Or that other time that he couldn't find the plug to his bathtub, and insisted that it was secret agents sent from the water company in order to make him use more water by showering and therefore be billed more for his water usage. The fact that he never had a plug was redundant, since the agents had simply changed his memories to make him he had never had a plug.

Or that time that he was walking through the park and caught a errant softball. Not content to call it a stroke of luck that he happened to catch it, he relegated himself to his study, LOOKING at the history of softball and it's greats, intent that his consciousness is in fact that of one of a star softball player transplanted into his body, with all memories of his past life removed so as not to attract attention. He came to the logical assumption that this was done by a bubble-gum company in some sort of convoluted plot to sell bubble gum. He presented to his readers a wad of cotton, a piece of swiss cheese, and a dead pigeon as his evidence. His readership dropped sharply at this point, no doubt the bubble-gum company had some contacts in his ISP and was calling in a few favours to cause a Denial of Service on his web site.

There was also the instance where he lost his razor, and was required to purchase a new one. Upon returning home, he found his old razor in his kitchen, at which point he remembered he was in a rush and needed to shave quickly in the kitchen. Or DID he? not content with this completely logical explanation, it was completely clear to him what happened- he had not purchased a new razor in at least 5 years, and the razor companies were NOT amused. So, they sent operatives into his house to misplace his razor, and implanted memories in him where he used it there, making it seem like an innocent brain fart.

But his cunning mind is not easily fooled by such deception!

Much like his recent quarrel about the spelling of the word "Dilemma" all his life he had spelled it dilemna, but it turns out it was actually spelled dilemma, and he was unable to find any authoritative source where it was spelled with an n.

Was he discouraged? No! Of course, he saw right through the terrorists plot, this was evidently a plot by Al Queda to create unrest amongst the Public of the both the English speaking countries as well as France (where a similar plot he unravelled related to Dilemme). By dividing the nation in two, they hoped to cause a civil war, whereby one side believed it was spelled one way, and the other side spelled it the other, thus weakening the nation to allow a brutal takeover at the hands of The evil DRM, (Derek Reginald McTyver). Obviously, thanks to his superior intellect and unmatched cunning, he was spelling it properly- Dilemna, despite it not appearing anywhere. The reason was obvious- it wasn't because he was spelling it wrong, but because the terrorists were using an alien device and had travelled backwards through time and erased and changed all references to the spelling with an n. The reason he was unaffected was simple, his SHOWER (where he had no plug at that time, by the way, thanks to the water company secret agents) had not been cleaned in some time, and over that time it had some mildew buildup. apparently this particular strain of mildew had some sort of temporal dampening affect on him (it's the only logical explanation, after all) and caused him to remain unaffected by the changes to the timeline performed by these terrorists. This theory was later confirmed by his observation of his block of cheddar forming a protective temporal barrier around itself (everybody knows that dairy products try to protect themselves from being affected by temporal disturbances, this is a well known fact- ask any yogurt maker). Most would call it mould, or possibly become sick, but he knew BETTER, and used his special cheese to make a sandwich.

Upon his return from the hospital, he theorized that he had been fooled all along, and was in fact under the control of a criminal organization known as the W3C. He came to this conclusion when he discovered that capitalizing the first letter of HTML tags was in fact not the standard. Since he was 100% correct, the only explanation was that somebody was purposely trying to sabotage his site by going back in time and changing the standard to not use a capital letter as the INITIAL letter. Of course he was unaffected because of his larger brain capacity, as well as the fact that he had been in a coma due to the ingestion of the aforementioned temporal resistant cheese.

unravelling this latest evil plot will be just another feather in Geek-9pm's feather filled hat, as you can see he has quite a history if unravelling these types of plots. It's practically second nature.

Quote from: Geek-9pm on May 25, 2010, 05:09:27 PM

Even well designed commercial programs may have defects that cause unexpected damage. A case in point is the Windows XP service pack 3. When a certain version of the Norton antivirus software is running it can interfere with the proper installation of Windows XP 3. This was documented by Microsoft. How many other things like that have happened we don't really know.

If a person had followed the instructions for installing the service pack they should be running any AV program when they install any service pack anyway. the fact is that problems can occur when you are running any AV and try to install a service pack. It's a result of the way AV programs work to protect the very files that need to be updated.
Wow, that's amazing, BC_ programmer.
How could you possibly have known that I am a lover of cheddar cheese? But why didn't you go on to mention the health benefits of cheddar cheese and how it helps clear your mind?
As you know, cheddar cheese is now made all over the world. In the 12th century the King of England ordered a huge quantity of cheddar cheese. That was the product from a village named Cheddar in England.
Did you know that cheddar cheese as 0 g of carbohydrates? It is protein and fat. Gives you energy without unduly raising your blood sugar. Those for us diabetics it's the excellent snack. Of course it has some other health benefits which are difficult to explain. If he cheddar cheese on a regular basis it can reduce your need for antidepressants. But I know that this is one of those things you like and find out by trial and error. You have to try it for yourself.
Now getting back to talk to our original TOPIC. When something happens, like a hard drive or DVD I drive failure, I need some cheddar cheese. That does not fix the drive, but it makes me feel better.

Quote from: alexma on May 25, 2010, 01:36:44 PM

I set the DVD drive as first boot and inserted the disc. I got the message 'Missing Boot Sector' ect.

It's a bad disk or you didn't burn it right. Try another bootable disk.Thanks JJ. I'm sure the DVD drive is toast as I tried my 'Superboot' disc as well (which always works for me) & it did not even start to spin up. The disc I burned was just a Music CD, not a bootable disc. Sorry for any confusion. AlexmaAre the drives PATA or SATA?The drives are PATA (IDE) Not SATA Too old for SATA, Alexma

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