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Answer» i just thought i would put out a poll to see what the interest in this technology would be. ... What is the cost per mile for 'fuel'? Quote as the price of gas goes ever higher. Good old supply and demand. There is a huge demand for gas, so they've got US. It is a real shame..... As far as electric vehicles go - if and when we all have to use them, then the demand will be for electricity. If the vehicles are rechargable, then the price of electricity will sky rocket even worse that it is now. Quote from: homer on March 03, 2008, 05:14:25 PM ... they not only have to make eco-friendly cars, ... That depends. The energy to move that car came from somewhere. What made the electricity (if using rechargable batteries)? A coal burning generator? Steam made with a nuclear reactor? Quote from: WillyW on March 03, 2008, 06:19:17 PM Quote from: homer on March 03, 2008, 05:14:25 PM... they not only have to make eco-friendly cars, ... i have hydro where i live.Quote from: WillyW on March 03, 2008, 06:16:02 PM Quote from: vettelady on March 03, 2008, 03:50:57 PM... i have been looking into all of this, not just the price of gas, but my boyfriend wants to build an ev, it would be similiar to the tesla, but for a single person, like something you can use to get back and forth to work and run some errands. he has already built one (using regular car batteries) but with the lithium ion batteries that the tesla is using, the range would be far supioror. the only thing is the cost of the lithium battery itself. the next few paragraphs i got from another post at an ev site. it MENTIONS how in the long run, even using coal power plants for the electricity. it would still be more effient. it starts off mentioning the tesla, which sells for $100,000 Ok guys there is one reason and ONE reason only that the tesla costs so much money. The answer is a number (no its not 42) 6,831 Know what that is? Thats the result of Chevron buying and sitting on the patent for the only currently tried and true VIABLE battery tech for EV's Thats how many CONSUMER lithium battery cells Tesla had to use to make there car work. Nearly 7 thousand freaking batteries!!! Do the math. Imagine the consquences and you will QUICKLY see why this car costs that much money. GM had a battery that could take a car over 100 miles for $4500 THERE cost to build this car ? $80,000 BEFORE you say thats a lot consider it was a bleeding edge hand made prototype of which LESS than 1,000 were made If you ramped up production of an $80,000 prototype to millions of cars it would cost less than $10k to make them...... want 200 miles? easy toss in TWO $4500 battery packs. I have seen people SPEND more than 9k on leads for HALF that range. 10+ years later (today) it would cost a lot less than $4500 Sadly this patent does not expire till 2015 so until someone invents something NEW (and the only ones with the REAL money to do the R&D needed also have the MOST to lose by doing so...) Result - We get screwed. GM sold controlling stock in ovonics (battery tech) to Texaco. Chevron bought Texaco. Chevron has controlling share in ECD Cobasys and has VETO rights on ANY usage of the battery technology. IE NO EV's allowed. EV's at minimum 6 times more efficient than Gas cars so EVEN IF you transfer the pollution to a COAL plant (recharging the car) your producing 1/6th the pollution. To top that off Nano Solar just shipped there first solar panels for 90cents a watt IF they can get them to US consumers at or near that price then consider this. $1600 for the grid tie in and $500 for the solar panel and driving your car would not become FREE and 100% pollution free. That $500 panel would produce MORE E each month than you would use charging your car. You see that E to the utility so its makes power for you from morning to night and you get the credit on your E Bill. that credit will be larger than your deficit to charge the car. 100% free to Drive 100% pollution free. Its a win win. I want an EV so badly I am dieing for one. I would save over $3 grand a year in gasoline!! gotta love how the gas companies control our economy. Quote from: vettelady on March 03, 2008, 07:03:53 PM ... Ok. Thanks for the numbers. Quote ... Its a win win. How are they going to tax you on it though? All those taxes on a gallon of gas contribute to paying for the roads we drive on, don't they? Quote from: WillyW on March 04, 2008, 09:07:23 AM Quote from: vettelady on March 03, 2008, 07:03:53 PM... i don't know about you, but in my area, i do get charged tax on my electric bill, besides all the other fees they charge. So can you turn a gas car into an ev?Quote from: vettelady on March 04, 2008, 10:08:08 AM ... Road tax? ... I doubt it. For example, the last I knew, when farmers have their own gas and diesel pumps for fueling their tractors - technically if they put any of that fuel in a car or truck, it is not legal. Because... no road tax was paid on that fuel. It was intended and sold for ag use. Your and my current (no pun intended) electric bills do not include any road taxes that I know of. They really couldn't charge it on the whole bill either. They'd have to find a way to come up with that money that would no longer be coming in, if the tax revenue on gas and diesel dropped off DUE to less consumption. And THAT is a scary thought.... turning them loose to find another way to tax! Not saying that it might not be necessary.... am saying that it is scary and needs to be thought through in advance by us peons out here that bear the load. Quote from: WillyW on March 04, 2008, 11:28:26 AM Quote from: vettelady on March 04, 2008, 10:08:08 AM... with the technology finally trickeling out, some people are talking about getting rid of the gas tax, and just making a tax on everyone who drives per mile. that would be something to see. anyway, this new tech, with evs is so new that not even 1% of the cars on the market are just electric. there are alot of hybrids out there, nothing compared to the millions of reg. cars. while we are on the subject of the gas tax, there are quite a few people out there driving around on veg. oil. (not that many, but still, they are out there) i highly doubt they are paying any tax on that i am sure the gov. is working on new ways to come up with taxing evs. we will just have to wait and see. Quote from: vettelady on March 05, 2008, 06:13:00 PM
Yes... I wonder how they would implement such a thing. Quote ... Yep. First thing I think of when I see them featured on some show on TV. I guess that since the guy that makes his own fuel from McDonald's waste deep fry grease is one in 10 million, they just let it slide. Quote i am sure the gov. is working on new ways to come up with taxing evs. You could just as well have said, "I am sure the gov. is working on new ways to come up with taxing ____________. (Fill in the blank with anything that comes to mind! ) Quote we will just have to wait and see. Yep. Tuesday, Nov. 4th will be here soon enough. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax |
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