Solve : Internet revolution?

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Answer» Simply. Succeeded the Internet revolution in Egypt . And I think that the internet has become a more effective than TV We now feel freeHow would you justify that the Government was able to shut it down for 4 days then ? ?True.Government has been shut down the Internet. But it was too late. And was also shut down the most important news channels (Al Jazeera) I think that what happened - Internet revolution - is, a positive precedentIn my opinion the shutting down of the INTERNET in Egypt only emboldened the resolve of the citizens to continue and enlarge their protests. So even in it's curtailment by the Government it (because of it having been there) caused the people to be more aware and inventive in their coming together in protest. It was the catalyst for the beginnings of the revolution. Once it gained momentum i doubt that there were too many countries whose media was not on the ground to show the images and the interviews all over the world. In this household my wife and i were glued to the Al Jazeera live streaming continuous broadcasts from Cairo and elsewhere in the country. All our daily activities were governed by their broadcast. Undoubtedly it will have a worldwide influence on the proliferation on social media technology. We continue to see that as other counties in the region are caught up in similar events. It is far from over. truenorth Quote from: truenorth on FEBRUARY 12, 2011, 07:38:41 AM We continue to see that as other counties in the region are caught up in similar events. It is far from over. truenorth YES, I totally agree. I was watching some streaming video from Egypt on CNN and one Egyptian being interviewed by a journatlist said he wanted to meet and personally thank Mark Zuckerberg, founder of FACEBOOK. Social networking websites, especially facebook, were a powerful factor in what happened in Egypt. And, similar phenomena may happen in other countries in the region. Quote And, similar phenomena may happen in other countries in the region. Yes. Algeria appears to have startedits good news from Egypt and about Turkey and with reports of a further 3 or 4 other countries protesting , i just wonder if they will get a secular democratic government i hope they do and dont go the way of a few other countries on the continent Quote from: harry 48 on February 12, 2011, 11:27:39 AM i just wonder if they will get a secular democratic government i hope they do Ahh the old pull the blinders over "democracy is the bestest always" claim. Although to be fair and as Winston churchill put it, "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.".. Although I'm not sure why it/they would have to be "secular" not to mention that a good 65% of those countries that otherwise claim to be democracies in fact are not, or their "official" government is in shambles while some rebel cause is in "charge" of how the country is run. Quote from: BC_Programmer on February 12, 2011, 12:24:14 PM Ahh the old pull the blinders over "democracy is the bestest always" claim. Although to be fair and as Winston churchill put it, "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.".. Although I'm not sure why it/they would have to be "secular" not to mention that a good 65% of those countries that otherwise claim to be democracies in fact are not, or their "official" government is in shambles while some rebel cause is in "charge" of how the country is run. this is why i said what i did , because a secular democratic government can start to rebuild the country , change its laws for the people give them back their freedom and bring it back to its one time greatness the leader in that continent. anything else the country will continue to go down hill and then the mad men/rebel causes etc will take over and the country will be finished Secular definition. Quote Secularity (adjective form secular) is the state of being separate from religion.[1] For instance, EATING and bathing may be regarded as examples of secular activities, because there may not be anything inherently RELIGIOUS about them. [recovering disk space - old attachment deleted by admin]Which is why it's a pipe dream...in and of itself....you know what i mean when i say secular democratic government , in other words , i would hate the people or the country to go along the lines as in iran , iraq , afganistan and the likesIt may be just a reflection of my eternal optimism but given how little (if any) evidence appeared during the demonstrations ( the anti Government side) of internal rifts (gender/religious/age/economic status/professional status etc.) if that spirit can be maintained as the evolution to whatever they eventually choose then i remain hopeful. This tempered with many years of the observation of the behaviors of humans. However if they can pull it off it MUST be better than what existed until this opportunity.I find it wondrous that technology played such a significant roll.truenorth Quote from: truenorth on February 12, 2011, 01:23:57 PM It may be just a reflection of my eternal optimism but given how little (if any) evidence appeared during the demonstrations ( the anti Government side) of internal rifts (gender/religious/age/economic status/professional status etc.) if that spirit can be maintained as the evolution to whatever they eventually choose then i remain hopeful. This tempered with many years of the observation of the behaviors of humans. However if they can pull it off it MUST be better than what existed until this opportunity.I find it wondrous that technology played such a significant roll.truenorth i can only hope as you do and agree with your statement , it will take many months even this time next year to find out how things are going to pan out Quote from: harry 48 on February 12, 2011, 12:35:50 PM this is why i said what i did , because a secular democratic government can start to rebuild the country , change its laws for the people give them back their freedom Ok... one question- why is not just a particular form of government (democracy) required, but also a specific type (secular) to rebuild a country? That isn't to say I would dislike such an occurence, but rather, why would a democratic government be any more "effective" then any other form of government at rebuilding the nation? Quote and bring it back to its one time greatness the leader in that continent. Yeah, I remember the good times, 3000 or so years ago. Those pharaoh's really knew how to throw a party. Quote from: harry 48 on February 12, 2011, 01:19:06 PM you know what i mean when i say secular democratic government , in other words , i would hate the people or the country to go along the lines as in iran , iraq , afganistan and the likes For two of those countries there was a external influence; I've never heard of likes. Quote anything else the country will continue to go down hill and then the mad men/rebel causes etc will take over and the country will be finished Ahh, again, the old "government good. revolutionaries bad." black and whiting of shades of gray; how can you paint every single rebel faction, and discontented citizen as a corrupt, power-hungry child-raping thieves running on self-interest? If the government was stable, they wouldn't have ever gained a foothold to cause these problems, and certainly they wouldn't have any reason to. and if the government was unstable, then it clearly wasn't doing a very good job of governing. Revolutionaries and rampant protesters and looting don't appear in well-run countries (with the exception of after major sporting events). And mad-men don't get any power or a foothold as we see there in well run countries either; so saying with any assertion that which side wins makes a difference is ridiculous; consider for a moment- it doesn't really MATTER which side ends up in power since once one side "wins" poof. no more fighting; a stable government. I mean, can you imagine how much of a pain it is for them to file their taxes now? That's the ultimate goal here, really. (to "solve" the problem, not to file their taxes) And the problem is that there are some people (revolutionaries) willing to fight/protest for what they believe in; and others who are a tad more timid, so in effect the latter is being "forced" to take a side and either way they've essentially made an enemy that will put them and their family in danger. Again though, the fact that the numbers of those discontent with the situation to do something about it is high enough to have repercussions around the world and sending shockwaves throughout the internet should bring to bear that this is anything but a minor squabble; but either way, as truenorth pointed out, and to summarize- it's really just a matter of time before things are resolved.

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Simply. Succeeded the Internet revolution in Egypt .
And I think that the internet has become a more effective than TV
We now feel freeHow would you justify that the Government was able to shut it down for 4 days then ? ?True.Government has been shut down the Internet. But it was too late.
And was also shut down the most important news channels (Al Jazeera)
I think that what happened - Internet revolution - is, a positive precedentIn my opinion the shutting down of the INTERNET in Egypt only emboldened the resolve of the citizens to continue and enlarge their protests. So even in it's curtailment by the Government it (because of it having been there) caused the people to be more aware and inventive in their coming together in protest. It was the catalyst for the beginnings of the revolution. Once it gained momentum i doubt that there were too many countries whose media was not on the ground to show the images and the interviews all over the world. In this household my wife and i were glued to the Al Jazeera live streaming continuous broadcasts from Cairo and elsewhere in the country. All our daily activities were governed by their broadcast. Undoubtedly it will have a worldwide influence on the proliferation on social media technology. We continue to see that as other counties in the region are caught up in similar events. It is far from over. truenorth Quote from: truenorth on FEBRUARY 12, 2011, 07:38:41 AM

We continue to see that as other counties in the region are caught up in similar events. It is far from over. truenorth

YES, I totally agree. I was watching some streaming video from Egypt on CNN and one Egyptian being interviewed by a journatlist said he wanted to meet and personally thank Mark Zuckerberg, founder of FACEBOOK. Social networking websites, especially facebook, were a powerful factor in what happened in Egypt. And, similar phenomena may happen in other countries in the region. Quote

And, similar phenomena may happen in other countries in the region.

Yes. Algeria appears to have startedits good news from Egypt and about Turkey and with reports of a further 3 or 4 other countries protesting , i just wonder if they will get a secular democratic government i hope they do and dont go the way of a few other countries on the continent Quote from: harry 48 on February 12, 2011, 11:27:39 AM

i just wonder if they will get a secular democratic government i hope they do

Ahh the old pull the blinders over "democracy is the bestest always" claim. Although to be fair and as Winston churchill put it,
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."..

Although I'm not sure why it/they would have to be "secular" not to mention that a good 65% of those countries that otherwise claim to be democracies in fact are not, or their "official" government is in shambles while some rebel cause is in "charge" of how the country is run. Quote from: BC_Programmer on February 12, 2011, 12:24:14 PM

Ahh the old pull the blinders over "democracy is the bestest always" claim. Although to be fair and as Winston churchill put it,
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."..

Although I'm not sure why it/they would have to be "secular" not to mention that a good 65% of those countries that otherwise claim to be democracies in fact are not, or their "official" government is in shambles while some rebel cause is in "charge" of how the country is run.

this is why i said what i did , because a secular democratic government can start to rebuild the country , change its laws for the people give them back their freedom and bring it back to its one time greatness the leader in that continent.

anything else the country will continue to go down hill and then the mad men/rebel causes etc will take over and the country will be finished Secular definition.
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Secularity (adjective form secular) is the state of being separate from religion.[1]

For instance, EATING and bathing may be regarded as examples of secular activities, because there may not be anything inherently RELIGIOUS about them.

[recovering disk space - old attachment deleted by admin]Which is why it's a pipe dream...in and of itself....you know what i mean when i say secular democratic government , in other words , i would hate the people or the country to go along the lines as in iran , iraq , afganistan and the likesIt may be just a reflection of my eternal optimism but given how little (if any) evidence appeared during the demonstrations ( the anti Government side) of internal rifts (gender/religious/age/economic status/professional status etc.) if that spirit can be maintained as the evolution to whatever they eventually choose then i remain hopeful. This tempered with many years of the observation of the behaviors of humans. However if they can pull it off it MUST be better than what existed until this opportunity.I find it wondrous that technology played such a significant roll.truenorth Quote from: truenorth on February 12, 2011, 01:23:57 PM

It may be just a reflection of my eternal optimism but given how little (if any) evidence appeared during the demonstrations ( the anti Government side) of internal rifts (gender/religious/age/economic status/professional status etc.) if that spirit can be maintained as the evolution to whatever they eventually choose then i remain hopeful. This tempered with many years of the observation of the behaviors of humans. However if they can pull it off it MUST be better than what existed until this opportunity.I find it wondrous that technology played such a significant roll.truenorth

i can only hope as you do and agree with your statement , it will take many months even this time next year to find out how things are going to pan out Quote from: harry 48 on February 12, 2011, 12:35:50 PM

this is why i said what i did , because a secular democratic government can start to rebuild the country , change its laws for the people give them back their freedom

Ok... one question- why is not just a particular form of government (democracy) required, but also a specific type (secular) to rebuild a country?

That isn't to say I would dislike such an occurence, but rather, why would a democratic government be any more "effective" then any other form of government at rebuilding the nation?

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and bring it back to its one time greatness the leader in that continent.

Yeah, I remember the good times, 3000 or so years ago. Those pharaoh's really knew how to throw a party.

Quote from: harry 48 on February 12, 2011, 01:19:06 PM

you know what i mean when i say secular democratic government , in other words , i would hate the people or the country to go along the lines as in iran , iraq , afganistan and the likes

For two of those countries there was a external influence; I've never heard of likes.

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anything else the country will continue to go down hill and then the mad men/rebel causes etc will take over and the country will be finished

Ahh, again, the old "government good. revolutionaries bad." black and whiting of shades of gray; how can you paint every single rebel faction, and discontented citizen as a corrupt, power-hungry child-raping thieves running on self-interest? If the government was stable, they wouldn't have ever gained a foothold to cause these problems, and certainly they wouldn't have any reason to. and if the government was unstable, then it clearly wasn't doing a very good job of governing. Revolutionaries and rampant protesters and looting don't appear in well-run countries (with the exception of after major sporting events). And mad-men don't get any power or a foothold as we see there in well run countries either; so saying with any assertion that which side wins makes a difference is ridiculous; consider for a moment- it doesn't really MATTER which side ends up in power since once one side "wins" poof. no more fighting; a stable government. I mean, can you imagine how much of a pain it is for them to file their taxes now? That's the ultimate goal here, really. (to "solve" the problem, not to file their taxes) And the problem is that there are some people (revolutionaries) willing to fight/protest for what they believe in; and others who are a tad more timid, so in effect the latter is being "forced" to take a side and either way they've essentially made an enemy that will put them and their family in danger. Again though, the fact that the numbers of those discontent with the situation to do something about it is high enough to have repercussions around the world and sending shockwaves throughout the internet should bring to bear that this is anything but a minor squabble; but either way, as truenorth pointed out, and to summarize- it's really just a matter of time before things are resolved.

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