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Answer» Hello guys! As the title states, I am in the process of creating my first website and had a few questions for some of the pro's out there. This website will be more complicated than a simple blog. It will have some common features like a forum, but I would also like users to be able to submit content like videos or music to my site. Security is also important. I have no real education or experience in web languages, and though I would love to learn how to build it from scratch, I am wondering if that is really a waste of time at this point. Websites like Joomla or asp.net seem pretty user friendly, but will I have the control over my website to add and create features or functions that don't come with those tools? Or is the "best" way to open notepad and hard code EVERYTHING in. Would any of you recommend that I outsource this project? I have looked into scriptlance, and though I will put up the money if I need to, I also don't mind putting in some hours on my own to figure this stuff out. I just don't want to spend 6 months on this and have nothing to show for it except for some cheap broken site due to it being such a huge project to someone with no prior skills. Right now I have a small notepad file I am working on and I am fumbling through simple design material slowly and painfully. What do you recommend I do to continue this project? THANK you, I look forward to the replies.Welcome to the forums. The project you want to take on is possibly a lot bigger than you think. If you are willing to put in time to learning web languages, I'd suggest learning, in this order, (X)HTML, CSS, Javascript, PHP and maybe XML. Quote I am wondering if that is really a waste of time at this point. There will always be room for new social networking websites as long as it has something the other's haven't. If you plan on the site getting relatively big, then you'll have to think of the business SIDE of things also like monetizing the site, advertising, marketing etc. Quote Websites like Joomla or asp.net seem pretty user friendly, but will I have the control over my website to add and create features or functions that don't come with those tools? You're getting a bit mixed up. Joomla is a content management system (others include Drupal, Wordpress) and ASP.NET is a programming language (main rival is PHP) developed by Microsoft. All the MS website uses ASP. Joomla, Drupal and Wordpress are popular content management systems which are free to download and install. They (Joomla especially) allow you to customise your website and you can download user-contributed addons for them also. Quote Or is the "best" way to open notepad and hard code everything in. Personally I would do it this way. But it takes a lot longer and there is only ONE pair of eyes looking at the code, whereas the CMS' I mentioned above are open source, so thousands of developers are involved. This means that any security hole found is patched within hours. To put it into perspective, there are 1058 PHP files working together to make Joomla operate, so I'll leave it to you to work out how long it could take. Quote Would any of you recommend that I outsource this project? I'd imagine it would be fairly expensive to do so, but I'm not sure, depending on how much work you put in. Quote What do you recommend I do to continue this project? As I said, there is room for more of these-type sites but they just need that extra touch to become popular, along with plenty of motivation to make it happen. If you're looking to get rich quick however, I'd suggest throwing the notepad in the bin. I am currently Building my third website at the moment and the best place to start is by visiting w3schools website ,that's were i learnt HTML and php. I know that you can get html templates from lots of sites that you can customise but the best way is to do it from scratch. download notpad++ it has the option to chage the language to html which makes it easyer to understand what you are writing. Thank guys, I am looking into some of these things. I appreciate the help. Quote from: silverpersian on August 19, 2010, 06:03:05 AM download notpad++ it has the option to chage the language to html which makes it easyer to understand what you are writing. Yes, if you decide to take the do-it-yourself approach and just use a text editor to do the coding, be sure to get Notepad++. It makes web page coding easier than just using Notepad. One example of how it makes web page development easier is that you can work on multiple web pages in Notepad++ at the same time; each page is a tab in Notepad++. And, like the Firefox web browser, when you close Notepad++ with multiple tabs open, Notepad++ will open those tabs, i.e. your page files, again the next time start Notepad++ and you can resume from where you stopped during your previous session. Quote from: soybean on August 20, 2010, 07:32:43 AM Yes, if you decide to take the do-it-yourself approach and just use a text editor to do the coding, be sure to get Notepad++. It makes web page coding easier than just using Notepad. One example of how it makes web page development easier is that you can work on multiple web pages in Notepad++ at the same time; each page is a tab in Notepad++. And, like the Firefox web browser, when you close Notepad++ with multiple tabs open, Notepad++ will open those tabs, i.e. your page files, again the next time start Notepad++ and you can resume from where you stopped during your previous session. Yes I have already downloaded it. Coming from regular notepad, this is a luxury. Thanks for the advice. I think I am going to learn HTML, CSS, and JS (maybe PHP). I want to be able to create simple pages rather comfortably using just those tools. Then I think I will learn ASP.NET/MVC in C#. This SEEMS like a great way to create a secure website and have lots of options for design and functionality; and there seems to be a lot of support for me going that route. We shall see. printer cartridges I like notepad++ too. I find it very handy and Alleycode HTML editor is pretty good too. I never use the regular notepad anymore. Another thing that is very handy is Tab Mix Plus because you can customize your Firefox tabs in a lot of different ways. According to the Tab Mix site: "It includes such features as duplicating tabs, controlling tab focus, tab clicking options, undo closed tabs and windows, plus much more. It also includes a full-featured session manager with crash recovery that can save and restore combination of opened tabs and windows." I've been using it for awhile now and it's pretty good so far.pspad is another decent text editor too. If its your first website why not use this site http://www.google.com It is very simple Looks professional Can be tweaked ALOT and is free!!! No spam, thanks --kpaci recommend the w3 school site

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Hello guys!

As the title states, I am in the process of creating my first website and had a few questions for some of the pro's out there. This website will be more complicated than a simple blog. It will have some common features like a forum, but I would also like users to be able to submit content like videos or music to my site. Security is also important.

I have no real education or experience in web languages, and though I would love to learn how to build it from scratch, I am wondering if that is really a waste of time at this point. Websites like Joomla or asp.net seem pretty user friendly, but will I have the control over my website to add and create features or functions that don't come with those tools? Or is the "best" way to open notepad and hard code EVERYTHING in.

Would any of you recommend that I outsource this project? I have looked into scriptlance, and though I will put up the money if I need to, I also don't mind putting in some hours on my own to figure this stuff out. I just don't want to spend 6 months on this and have nothing to show for it except for some cheap broken site due to it being such a huge project to someone with no prior skills.

Right now I have a small notepad file I am working on and I am fumbling through simple design material slowly and painfully. What do you recommend I do to continue this project?

THANK you, I look forward to the replies.Welcome to the forums.

The project you want to take on is possibly a lot bigger than you think. If you are willing to put in time to learning web languages, I'd suggest learning, in this order, (X)HTML, CSS, Javascript, PHP and maybe XML.

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I am wondering if that is really a waste of time at this point.

There will always be room for new social networking websites as long as it has something the other's haven't. If you plan on the site getting relatively big, then you'll have to think of the business SIDE of things also like monetizing the site, advertising, marketing etc.

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Websites like Joomla or asp.net seem pretty user friendly, but will I have the control over my website to add and create features or functions that don't come with those tools?

You're getting a bit mixed up. Joomla is a content management system (others include Drupal, Wordpress) and ASP.NET is a programming language (main rival is PHP) developed by Microsoft. All the MS website uses ASP. Joomla, Drupal and Wordpress are popular content management systems which are free to download and install. They (Joomla especially) allow you to customise your website and you can download user-contributed addons for them also.

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Or is the "best" way to open notepad and hard code everything in.

Personally I would do it this way. But it takes a lot longer and there is only ONE pair of eyes looking at the code, whereas the CMS' I mentioned above are open source, so thousands of developers are involved. This means that any security hole found is patched within hours. To put it into perspective, there are 1058 PHP files working together to make Joomla operate, so I'll leave it to you to work out how long it could take.

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Would any of you recommend that I outsource this project?

I'd imagine it would be fairly expensive to do so, but I'm not sure, depending on how much work you put in.

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What do you recommend I do to continue this project?

As I said, there is room for more of these-type sites but they just need that extra touch to become popular, along with plenty of motivation to make it happen. If you're looking to get rich quick however, I'd suggest throwing the notepad in the bin. I am currently Building my third website at the moment and the best place to start is by visiting w3schools website ,that's were i learnt HTML and php.
I know that you can get html templates from lots of sites that you can customise but the best way is to do it from scratch.
download notpad++ it has the option to chage the language to html which makes it easyer to understand what you are writing.
Thank guys, I am looking into some of these things. I appreciate the help.
Quote from: silverpersian on August 19, 2010, 06:03:05 AM

download notpad++ it has the option to chage the language to html which makes it easyer to understand what you are writing.

Yes, if you decide to take the do-it-yourself approach and just use a text editor to do the coding, be sure to get Notepad++. It makes web page coding easier than just using Notepad. One example of how it makes web page development easier is that you can work on multiple web pages in Notepad++ at the same time; each page is a tab in Notepad++. And, like the Firefox web browser, when you close Notepad++ with multiple tabs open, Notepad++ will open those tabs, i.e. your page files, again the next time start Notepad++ and you can resume from where you stopped during your previous session. Quote from: soybean on August 20, 2010, 07:32:43 AM

Yes, if you decide to take the do-it-yourself approach and just use a text editor to do the coding, be sure to get Notepad++. It makes web page coding easier than just using Notepad. One example of how it makes web page development easier is that you can work on multiple web pages in Notepad++ at the same time; each page is a tab in Notepad++. And, like the Firefox web browser, when you close Notepad++ with multiple tabs open, Notepad++ will open those tabs, i.e. your page files, again the next time start Notepad++ and you can resume from where you stopped during your previous session.

Yes I have already downloaded it. Coming from regular notepad, this is a luxury. Thanks for the advice.

I think I am going to learn HTML, CSS, and JS (maybe PHP). I want to be able to create simple pages rather comfortably using just those tools. Then I think I will learn ASP.NET/MVC in C#. This SEEMS like a great way to create a secure website and have lots of options for design and functionality; and there seems to be a lot of support for me going that route.

We shall see. printer cartridges
I like notepad++ too. I find it very handy and Alleycode HTML editor is pretty good too. I never use the regular notepad anymore. Another thing that is very handy is Tab Mix Plus because you can customize your Firefox tabs in a lot of different ways. According to the Tab Mix site:

"It includes such features as duplicating tabs, controlling tab focus, tab clicking options, undo closed tabs and windows, plus much more. It also includes a full-featured session manager with crash recovery that can save and restore combination of opened tabs and windows."

I've been using it for awhile now and it's pretty good so far.pspad is another decent text editor too. If its your first website why not use this site http://www.google.com
It is very simple
Looks professional
Can be tweaked ALOT
and is free!!!

No spam, thanks --kpaci recommend the w3 school site

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