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Trying to figure out the cause of why on a Windows XP Home SP3 clean build with latest drivers for ATI Radeon HD5450 1GB video card, rest of the hardware is a Biostar A760 M2+ motherboard with Athlon 64 x2 4850e 2.5Ghz CPU and 2GB ( 2 x 1GB DDR2 RAM )... ... issue I have which isn't very critical but is more of an annoyance is that when dragging windows on the desktop I am getting a dragging of overlays trailing the window which remain for about 1/2 second and disappear.

Here are some things I have tried:

- I had a spare video card same make model and swapped from a system running windows 7 with no issue with moving windows objects... problem remained. * so I know its not the video card.

- Updated driver to latest for Windows XP 32-bit OS and problem remained.

- Ran memtest86 and it passed the memory test for multiple passes... looked at CPU-Z and it said that the memory sticks were slower PC2-4200 sticks, motherboard supports 800Mhz DDR2 and so I installed a pair of 1GB PC2-6400 sticks. CPU-Z shows these running at 800Mhz, ran memtest86 again and all is well. Moved a window and problem still there.

Other than this annoyance this system I'm able to PLAY all sorts of heavily graphic intense games such as Tera Rising, World of Warcraft, and Aion with good 25-40 fps on normal settings and no lag or freeze framing.

Was wondering if there was something else to check into that I haven't already to diagnose the issue/annoyance?

I was thinking of booting the system off of a different OS to see if the problem remains or not. I will probably test this TONIGHT with Linux Mint 17.1 that I burned recently for a different system.

Ok... I ran some more tests before trying a different OS /driver combination.

I found that when Not Stressing the System RAM I get small glitches with windows that overlap other windows being moved such as in the first pic.

Other times I can tear windows off the desktop and move them and a void remains as seen in the 2nd pic.

Then when Stressing the System RAM, I can make the problem much worse where the problem seems to happen only with overlapping windows, but not very often on the open desktop area as seen in the 3rd pic.

*The RAM is a matched pair bought from Corsair as a matched set of 1GB sticks and passes Memtest86.

Original RAM was swapped out thinking that it was a memory issue. Original RAM passed memtest86 as well.



[attachment deleted by admin to conserve space]Here is also the CPU-Z info in a pic that has a bunch of screenshots placed together for all info on system.

[attachment deleted by admin to conserve space]The overdraw is because the windows behind are not redrawing.

When you move a Window and reveal part of an underlying window, the Process that Window is part of is sent a Windows Message via the Window Callback, and, effectively, told to paint the exposed area.

If the program doesn't paint or the message isn't serviced quickly enough, you get trails on that window.

Why it would be occurring on that system, I don't know. It doesn't have to be related to the video driver, it could be any other driver or even a background process of some sort somehow hogging timeslices.

You could use something like Process Explorer, and run it in the background and examine the log graphs after you witness it while using it normally to see what seems to be using up the CPU and preventing the Paint messages from being responded to in a timely fashion.Thanks BC, I'll try that out and see if i can figure it out. I have since tried a live Linux on it and everything in the Linux ENVIRONMENT is healthy. No glitches noticed. So its something strange with this build I guess.

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It doesn't have to be related to the video driver, it could be any other driver or even a background process of some sort somehow hogging timeslices.

Going to check all other driver versions to see if they are up to date as well etc.All else being equal with a fresh install and everything swapped out, my nose would point to the motherboard starting to age. You've swapped out all the appropriate components and Windows should not be lagging.

A lot of things could cause Windows lag, but I think you covered all the major ones:
  • Virus/Malware slowing computer down: Fresh install not a problem
  • Ram/Video card hardware failure: Swaped out so not an issue
  • Video card driver issue: Updated, and hardware is old enough to have very stable drivers for XP

The motherboard starting to die is my favorite solution here. When you did a clean install of Windows did you reinstall on a freshly formatted drive?

One last thought. Your other games run fine, how old is your harddrive?
Try turning off virtual memory and see what happens. It can be accessed at: Start -> Control Panel -> Performance and Maintenance -> Advanced Tab ->Click Change and adjust to 0.

When you initially load WoW does the opening animation lag briefly at the start?

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The motherboard starting to die is my favorite solution here. When you did a clean install of Windows did you reinstall on a freshly formatted drive?

One last thought. Your other games run fine, how old is your harddrive?
Try turning off virtual memory and see what happens. It can be accessed at: Start -> Control Panel -> Performance and Maintenance -> Advanced Tab ->Click Change and adjust to 0.

When you initially load WoW does the opening animation lag briefly at the start?

Motherboard swap out ...... well issue with that is that Linux Mint 17.1 is happy with the hardware.

As far as hard drive goes, the history behind this hard drive is that it use to be an external HDD, but because I have a 3TB external this 250GB has since not been used in ages. I carefully opened the external case and removed the 250GB HDD and installed it into this system. In the screenshot showing that its healthy according to crystaldiskinfo you can see that its like a brand new drive with LOW runtime miles on it of just 480 hours. I have a drive in my other computer that is one of the very first SATA 1.5 drives with a date code from 2004 that has over 65,000 hours on it and its still chugging along although only 164.7GB in size and not as fast as the SSD that is in the system with it. Back in 2004 this drive was fast, but its slow in comparison to todays standards.

I will try the system with no swap/paging space allocated and see what happens. I have only really done this on systems with lots of RAM that dont really need virtual memory, but we can see what happens. Its not going to hurt anything.

As far as WoW loading screen goes, it takes about 45 seconds after clicking to start the game for it to get to the logon screen, and then after that another 25 seconds or so to get into the game with the loading bar showing progress that slowly creeps across the screen. * I expect this due to the ATA100 speed drive, and the fact that World of Warcraft is like 28GB in size, as well as at 2GB system RAM, the HDD is also swapping/paging memory at the same time that its loading so the drive is quite busy when launching games. However, once the games have been launched and loaded, the gameplay is without any lag. Even when taking ports in the game to get from one location to another the load time is less than 5 seconds to get to the destination after entering a portal. I expect this because the game is calling for the map and texture files associated with the new area that i am moving to in game. Moving around between zones in the game I dont have any lag. Its able to keep up with the map and texture loading on the fly when walking, running, on mount on ground, or flying to new zones in which new data is loaded from the HDD for that zone. I think WoW also has a precache that assists with this to where when your in a specific zone, it is programmed to load into a cache area the data from neighboring zones so that no matter what zone you move to, its direct to the CPU from RAM or Cache so it doesnt have to be fetched as scattered on a HDD each time you enter a new zone.



[attachment deleted by admin to conserve space]Has the HDD dropped down into PIO mode ? ?Thanks Patio ... I will check on this when I get home from work later. The DVD-RW drive that is in this system has also been slow, but I thought that maybe it was because it was an early ATA100 DVD-RW burner. *If both the HDD and the DVD-RW on the Primary IDE Channel are PIO, ( DVD-RW = Master, and HDD = Slave ) then this could definitely lag the read/write speeds of the drives. I totally forgot about PIO Mode

Link to process to check this so I don't have to google SEARCH for it later http://techlogon.com/2011/03/28/how-to-fix-hard-drive-stuck-in-pio-mode/Ok... so I checked on if PIO mode was happening and its ultra DMA. *Also realized that its connected to Secondary and not Primary on MB. This shouldnt make any difference, although I could swap the IDE cable to the primary to test.

Disabled the Paging setting swap to 0 and problem remains.

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[attachment deleted by admin to conserve space]I just realized, looking at the screenshots, that the more excessive "banding" appears over top of a window that belongs to the "performanceTest" program itself, This is entirely to be expected.

For example- here it is in my VM, acting identically to what you've provided in the screenie:



Windows 7- the OS from which you got the Graphics Card- wouldn't have this problem except if Aero is disabled because it uses compositing. Most recent Linux distributions- including Mint- use a composited desktop as well.

This doesn't explain the other oddities, though I suspect whatever you are using for those graphs on the desktop could cause it.




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