Solve : Why you need Windows 8.1 Update 1 (KB2919355)?

1.	Solve : Why you need Windows 8.1 Update 1 (KB2919355)?
Answer» I just found this blog POST over at The Windows Club that explains why Windows 8.1 Update 1 or KB2919355 is a very important update. Full story: Along with Windows XP, will we be seeing unpatched Windows 8.1 computers too!? Quote from: [emailprotected] Starting patch Tuesday in May 2014 and beyond, if this Windows 8.1 Update is not installed on your computer, all future Windows Updates, including the Security patches will be considered as being not applicable to your system and not be offered to your computer. Doom and Gloom is now driving the MS marketing machine... Kinda sad actually how many of these sites are puppeting this stuff for no apparent reason.Thinking about it. Since it's a new OS it's obvious that future updates will not work without it. Something I feel is underhanded is these "new" operating systems (Windows 8.1, 8.1 update 1) are being called new operating systems. They used to be called service packs and have always been free. MS is acting like they have embraced the free OS when in fact they aren't.Did you know you cannot revert back to 8 after the Update ? ?I read that somewhere. I think that the only path from XP, Vista and W7 to Windows 8.1 is to start at Windows 8 and use Windows Update from there. I'm not sure why they are doing that. You still have to pay around $100 for Windows 7 disks. That's almost the same price as Windows 8. They should at least give a nice discount for 7 since it's no longer developed. That would get more people off of XP and on to a securely patched OS. I just don't see anyone in the Corporate enviornment being able to take Win8 seriously as a new platform.Quote from: evilfantasy on April 15, 2014, 03:13:13 PM Something I feel is underhanded is these "new" operating systems (Windows 8.1, 8.1 update 1) are being called new operating systems. The only person I've ever heard or seen calling it a new operating system is you in the previous original Post on the subject of the 8.1 Update 1. The Blog post original detailing it referred to it as a new security baseline. And I've not been able to find any official statements that actually call it a new OS. Security updates have always been dependent on one another. XP RTM could not be updated beyond a certain point; SP1a could not be updated PAST a certain point, etc. In addition updates often do not appear unless a prerequisite update has already been installed (as with the 8.1 update 1 itself, which has a requirement of another update before being applicable). The fact that future updates will depend on what is the 8.1 Update 1 is only a problem if you try to spin it as a "new OS" which is not really the CASE as per any actual documentation I can seem to find on it. Quote from: evilfantasy on April 15, 2014, 03:45:34 PM I read that somewhere. I think that the only path from XP, Vista and W7 to Windows 8.1 is to start at Windows 8 and use Windows Update from there. I'm not sure why they are doing that. You still have to pay around $100 for Windows 7 disks. That's almost the same price as Windows 8. They should at least give a nice discount for 7 since it's no longer developed. That would get more people off of XP and on to a securely patched OS. Partly true. Windows 8.1, including the update, does have it's own Disc. Windows update is not required, though- you can slipstream a new disc or buy one soon. XP has never been a supported upgrade for Windows 8. A system running Windows XP is unlikely to run Windows 8 very well; and those that do would be using XP only by conscious choice of their users, since it would mean they chose XP to install over Vista or 7 more recently. Systems that came with XP are not going to be, by and large, powerful enough to run Windows 8/8.1- it will require new hardware. For Vista/7 You can upgrade to 8 and use Windows Update; for Companies with Volume Licenses can leverage the automated upgrade process available in VLK versions and swap out their existing 8 or 8.1 installation files and replace them with the files from the 8.1 Update ISO available from the Volume License Service Center. Quote from: patio on April 15, 2014, 03:35:14 PM Did you know you cannot revert back to 8 after the Update ? ? This is not true. You can uninstall it just as with any other update. eg. just to confirm that I: -started Windows Update (Winkey+typing Windows Update). -chose "View update history" -Noticed the "to remove an update, choose "View Update History" and clicked that. -Scrolled down to "Microsoft Windows". KB2919355 appears in the list. Right-clicking shows an uninstall option just as it does for everything else. Question. How does one know if the windows 8.1 update was received and is working?Quote from: Geek-9pm on April 15, 2014, 07:36:03 PM Question. How does one know if the windows 8.1 update was received and is working? It will show up in the dialog I mention at the end of my post. Or, just see if there is a "POWER options" and "Search" button next to your user name on the Start Screen.http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2919355 Quote from: Windows RT 8.1, Windows 8.1, and Windows Server 2012 R2 Update: April 2014 Summary Note Windows Update may offer update 2919355 again even when the computer already has update 2919355 installed. This is expected, and is in order to resolve a Windows Update client issue. Windows Update only installs the additional fixes for Windows Update clients instead of all the Windows 8.1 update packages. What's new in Windows 8.1 Update Quote from: Microsoft.com The update is gradually rolling out to everyone with a PC running Windows 8.1 or Windows RT 8.1 over a period of several weeks. If you get automatic updates but you don't see the update yet, wait a few days and check again. Quote from: BC_Programmer on April 15, 2014, 06:20:47 PM The only person I've ever heard or seen calling it a new operating system is you in the previous original Post on the subject of the 8.1 Update 1. The Blog post original detailing it referred to it as a new security baseline. And I've not been able to find any official statements that actually call it a new OS. I don't remember where I first saw it but MS is or has been calling these updates a new OS. Everything about them is typical of a new OS. They used to be called a Service Packs. Things like not being able to get future updates until Update 2919355 is installed and as Patio has suggested not being able to (easily) go back to the previous version number are much more like operating systems then it is like a normal update. The "new OS" talk is more targeted at the updates that are pushed to the MS mobile devices but Windows 8 is cross platform so it includes home computers as well. Apple stopped charging for new mobile iOS releases. Google never has charged for them and Microsoft wants to pretend they too are offering free operating systems. When Windows 9 is available for free then I will BELIEVE them.

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I just found this blog POST over at The Windows Club that explains why Windows 8.1 Update 1 or KB2919355 is a very important update.

Full story: Along with Windows XP, will we be seeing unpatched Windows 8.1 computers too!?

Quote from: [emailprotected]

Starting patch Tuesday in May 2014 and beyond, if this Windows 8.1 Update is not installed on your computer, all future Windows Updates, including the Security patches will be considered as being not applicable to your system and not be offered to your computer.

Doom and Gloom is now driving the MS marketing machine...
Kinda sad actually how many of these sites are puppeting this stuff for no apparent reason.Thinking about it. Since it's a new OS it's obvious that future updates will not work without it.

Something I feel is underhanded is these "new" operating systems (Windows 8.1, 8.1 update 1) are being called new operating systems. They used to be called service packs and have always been free. MS is acting like they have embraced the free OS when in fact they aren't.Did you know you cannot revert back to 8 after the Update ? ?I read that somewhere. I think that the only path from XP, Vista and W7 to Windows 8.1 is to start at Windows 8 and use Windows Update from there. I'm not sure why they are doing that.

You still have to pay around $100 for Windows 7 disks. That's almost the same price as Windows 8. They should at least give a nice discount for 7 since it's no longer developed. That would get more people off of XP and on to a securely patched OS. I just don't see anyone in the Corporate enviornment being able to take Win8 seriously as a new platform.Quote from: evilfantasy on April 15, 2014, 03:13:13 PM

Something I feel is underhanded is these "new" operating systems (Windows 8.1, 8.1 update 1) are being called new operating systems.

The only person I've ever heard or seen calling it a new operating system is you in the previous original Post on the subject of the 8.1 Update 1. The Blog post original detailing it referred to it as a new security baseline. And I've not been able to find any official statements that actually call it a new OS.

Security updates have always been dependent on one another. XP RTM could not be updated beyond a certain point; SP1a could not be updated PAST a certain point, etc. In addition updates often do not appear unless a prerequisite update has already been installed (as with the 8.1 update 1 itself, which has a requirement of another update before being applicable). The fact that future updates will depend on what is the 8.1 Update 1 is only a problem if you try to spin it as a "new OS" which is not really the CASE as per any actual documentation I can seem to find on it.

Quote from: evilfantasy on April 15, 2014, 03:45:34 PM

I read that somewhere. I think that the only path from XP, Vista and W7 to Windows 8.1 is to start at Windows 8 and use Windows Update from there. I'm not sure why they are doing that.

You still have to pay around $100 for Windows 7 disks. That's almost the same price as Windows 8. They should at least give a nice discount for 7 since it's no longer developed. That would get more people off of XP and on to a securely patched OS.

Partly true.

Windows 8.1, including the update, does have it's own Disc. Windows update is not required, though- you can slipstream a new disc or buy one soon.

XP has never been a supported upgrade for Windows 8. A system running Windows XP is unlikely to run Windows 8 very well; and those that do would be using XP only by conscious choice of their users, since it would mean they chose XP to install over Vista or 7 more recently. Systems that came with XP are not going to be, by and large, powerful enough to run Windows 8/8.1- it will require new hardware.

For Vista/7 You can upgrade to 8 and use Windows Update; for Companies with Volume Licenses can leverage the automated upgrade process available in VLK versions and swap out their existing 8 or 8.1 installation files and replace them with the files from the 8.1 Update ISO available from the Volume License Service Center.

Quote from: patio on April 15, 2014, 03:35:14 PM

Did you know you cannot revert back to 8 after the Update ? ?

This is not true. You can uninstall it just as with any other update.

eg. just to confirm that I:
-started Windows Update (Winkey+typing Windows Update).
-chose "View update history"
-Noticed the "to remove an update, choose "View Update History" and clicked that.
-Scrolled down to "Microsoft Windows". KB2919355 appears in the list. Right-clicking shows an uninstall option just as it does for everything else.

Question.
How does one know if the windows 8.1 update was received and is working?Quote from: Geek-9pm on April 15, 2014, 07:36:03 PM

Question.
How does one know if the windows 8.1 update was received and is working?

It will show up in the dialog I mention at the end of my post.

Or, just see if there is a "POWER options" and "Search" button next to your user name on the Start Screen.http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2919355

Quote from: Windows RT 8.1, Windows 8.1, and Windows Server 2012 R2 Update: April 2014

Summary

Note Windows Update may offer update 2919355 again even when the computer already has update 2919355 installed. This is expected, and is in order to resolve a Windows Update client issue. Windows Update only installs the additional fixes for Windows Update clients instead of all the Windows 8.1 update packages.

What's new in Windows 8.1 Update

Quote from: Microsoft.com

The update is gradually rolling out to everyone with a PC running Windows 8.1 or Windows RT 8.1 over a period of several weeks. If you get automatic updates but you don't see the update yet, wait a few days and check again.

Quote from: BC_Programmer on April 15, 2014, 06:20:47 PM

The only person I've ever heard or seen calling it a new operating system is you in the previous original Post on the subject of the 8.1 Update 1. The Blog post original detailing it referred to it as a new security baseline. And I've not been able to find any official statements that actually call it a new OS.

I don't remember where I first saw it but MS is or has been calling these updates a new OS. Everything about them is typical of a new OS. They used to be called a Service Packs. Things like not being able to get future updates until Update 2919355 is installed and as Patio has suggested not being able to (easily) go back to the previous version number are much more like operating systems then it is like a normal update. The "new OS" talk is more targeted at the updates that are pushed to the MS mobile devices but Windows 8 is cross platform so it includes home computers as well. Apple stopped charging for new mobile iOS releases. Google never has charged for them and Microsoft wants to pretend they too are offering free operating systems. When Windows 9 is available for free then I will BELIEVE them.

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