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Answer» Do you miss i.t? ... I'm tempted to suggest that, if you don't like Internet Explorer, you might consider switching to another browser, such as Firefox or Chrome. But I'm not sure that's the best idea if you prefer IE8 to IE9. All the new browser versions have a minimalist user interface like the one in IE9.I don't like the minimal interface either. That's why I use this magical thing that no tech journalist apparently understands how to do- I changed the defaults. Quote from: BC_Programmer on August 08, 2011, 01:22:11 AM I don't like the minimal interface either.Well, if he knew that, he would not have to be a writer.Seems like im missing out on a lot of the "goodies" that come with win 7... I read this article: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/03/ie9-standards-and-why-acid3-isnt-the-priority.ars I am not a huge fan of simplistic user interfaces-it somehow seems like discouraging the end-user to explore the myriad of possibilities that the program holds (within reasonable limits of course). Although Apple set the trend for minimalistic user interfaces that would appeal to the majority of consumers who are purely concerned with ease of use...Well I'm glad I have Win XP on both my computers then so I don't have to worry about that. However mom has Win 7 on hers and from what I've used of the new IE I don't like it either. Really, I don't think Win 7 in general is all it's cracked up to be. It's not as easy to navigate. The only thing I can think of at the moment that's really that nice is the startup sounds and the loading cursor. They're kinda cool. MAYBE I don't like simplistic interfaces either. kinda funny isn't it? they're simple yet they're more difficult to navigate for me. could be a case of if you're not a beginner with computers then you're not gonna find beginner style interfaces easy to use. if the new OS isn't all that great then I' m not surprised the browser for them isn't all that great either. Quote from: JAJsangel on August 08, 2011, 08:06:25 AM Really, I don't think Win 7 in general is all it's cracked up to be. It's not as easy to navigate.I believe the majority of us who've used Win 7 for awhile firmly disagree with you. Care to give an example of how it's not as easy to navigate? Quote if the new OS isn't all that great then I' m not surprised the browser for them isn't all that great either.Re: OS, see above. Re: IE browser: As you should recognize from the posts here, the trend among various browsers, not just IE, has been TOWARD a more simplistic interface. But, as mentioned in posts here, the user can change the default settings and features in the browser. Quote The only thing I can think of at the moment that's really that nice is the startup sounds and the loading cursor. They're kinda cool. If this is all a new OS impresses you with you may be missing the point... Quote from: Transfusion on August 08, 2011, 06:30:05 AM Seems like im missing out on a lot of the "goodies" that come with win 7...I'm not sure why you linked the article? Really, there is a damned good reason the acid3 test isn't something anybody should give a flying fudge about. It is a test. First off, it tests draft specifications, secondly, it tests for specific implementation details, which are mentioned nowhere in that specification. The "problem" is that Internet Explorer isn't PART of the "cabal" of browsers. See, when Firefox, Chrome, or Opera need to implement a feature, they don't do it themselves, they see how one of the other browsers that already implemented that feature (except IE) do it. And then they copy/duplicate that. TThey don't try to interpret the specification. Both IE and all the other browsers can implement the specification but behave differently, and the tests that are supposed to be designed to test adherence to a specification can't test for that specification because as PER usual the W3C is vague and ambiguous in it's creation of that specification. And even actively hostile to IE; IE can implement something that meets their "standard" but isn't the same as the other browsers. Instead of copying each other the other browsers should go to the w3c and say, hey- fix your *censored*. your specification is vague, misleading, and open to interpretation. Fix it. a speicifcation should be precise and easy to understand. Quote I am not a huge fan of simplistic user interfaces-it somehow seems like discouraging the end-user to explore the myriad of possibilities that the program holds (within reasonable limits of course). Although Apple set the trend for minimalistic user interfaces that would appeal to the majority of consumers who are purely concerned with ease of use... The Office 2007 ribbon is often described as a "simplistic" interface, compared to the ball of crap that the commandbars architecture had become. However, features are far more discoverable. I think a better question is exactly what features are less discoverable in the sort of interface of chrome than in earlier versions of firefox or other browsers. The problem isn't that a lot of features aren't discoverable, it's that those features aren't going to be useful to the majority of users in the first place. Quote Well I'm glad I have Win XP on both my computers then so I don't have to worry about that. What does the Original Post have to do with Windows 7? Quote mom has Win 7 on hers and from what I've used of the new IE I don't like it either.The "new IE" you refer to is IE8, which is the one that the tech journalist pines for for whatever reason. Quote Really, I don't think Win 7 in general is all it's cracked up to be. It's not as easy to navigate.The only reason it's not as easy to navigate is because you have already decided that it is inferior to what you are used to and so refuse to learn the new UI elements, like the breadcrumb bar. Every tiny issue you have with XP now you blame on yourself in some way, but if you have similar issues with Win7, you add it to your internal "issues" list. At the end, you find that the issues list of Win7 is really long and you go right back to your 10 year old operating system which has no real advantage over Vista, 7, or any modern LINUX distribution. Quote maybe I don't like simplistic interfaces either. kinda funny isn't it? they're simple yet they're more difficult to navigate for me. could be a case of if you're not a beginner with computers then you're not gonna find beginner style interfaces easy to use. Windows Vista/7 don't use a "simplistic interface". That is IE9, and IE8 is the default browser for Windows 7 and likely what you saw. You are blaming your own unfamiliarity with a new system on the system rather then on the fact that you are unfamiliar with it. Quote if the new OS isn't all that great then I' m not surprised the browser for them isn't all that great either. Again, the "browser for them" is IE8, and it is the one that "people want back". IE9 is the new one, and it takes a bloody voodoo incantation and sacrifices to get installed properly to begin with. It's doubtful that you've used it.I linked the article because I thought it would be nice to show why the Acid3 test is just another synthetic benchmark. Quote from: BC_Programmer on August 08, 2011, 04:04:50 PM The Office 2007 ribbon is often described as a "simplistic" interface, compared to the ball of crap that the commandbars architecture had become. However, features are far more discoverable. The office 2007 and 2010 interface is what I like-has all the options out there for you to tinker with and is definitely more user friendly than 2003 and "Commandbars," which I take to mean navigating a commandline. I do not consider it simplistic, though, when I think of "simplistic" I think of Wordpad. Oh wait, that supports formatting. Notepad. Yes. Notepad is the epitome of simplistic. Can't go wrong. Quote from: soybean on August 08, 2011, 09:04:33 AM I believe the majority of us who've used Win 7 for awhile firmly disagree with you. Care to give an example of how it's not as easy to navigate?I guess it's mostly to do with the way it handles folders. I can't really pinpoint exactly but I just don't like the folder setup for some reason I also forgot to mention that I don't like how it is slower and in the IE you can't have as many browser windows. Sometimes when you do multiple tabs (and I don't mean like 20 I mean it could be even as much as 2 or 3) it freezes Quote from: BC_Programmer on August 08, 2011, 04:04:50 PM the IE that is being referred to negatively is only on Win 7 so it's an example of how I feel that Win 7 is a bit overhyped. Quote from: BC_Programmer on August 08, 2011, 04:04:50 PM The only reason it's not as easy to navigate is because you have already decided that it is inferior to what you are used to and so refuse to learn the new UI elements, like the breadcrumb bar. Every tiny issue you have with XP now you blame on yourself in some way, but if you have similar issues with Win7, you add it to your internal "issues" list. At the end, you find that the issues list of Win7 is really long and you go right back to your 10 year old operating system which has no real advantage over Vista, 7, or any modern Linux distribution.It's not that I hate it. it costs a lot more money, just don't think it's worth it, esp since it seems like you have to get a whole new computer for it to work well (that's what I've read, haven't tried it on older computers) I also just don't see any new features that I really like enough to find it worth the money. maybe it's cuz I'm poor but it really seems like all the advantages would be minor. Quote from: BC_Programmer on August 08, 2011, 04:04:50 PM That is IE9, and IE8 is the default browser for Windows 7 and likely what you saw.IE9 is the new one, and it takes a bloody voodoo incantation and sacrifices to get installed properly to begin with. It's doubtful that you've used it. idk if it matters but IE9 is on Win 7 not IE8. the whole OS is simplistic to me. Well I think it takes all that trouble to install because it's not suited for Win XP but I used it on Win 7 and I didn't like it. I looked in the mail and surprise! My dad sent two "leftover" copies of windows 7 ultimate (shouldn't they be using professional....?) from his workplace so we could have a much-needed upgrade... I am using Win7 to type this now and honestly cannot see why people (me included ) have to stick with the antiquated XP. I think I will even scrap the XP-7 dual boot right now... The OS is in no way simplistic-it is more logical in its placement of resources than XP is. It has all the administrative tools of XP, and a little new "Performance" tab which will continuously record statistics to a log file on the hard drive. I like the fact that device manager, resource monitor, task scheduler, etc. are all combined into a nice "Manage" tab when you right-click my computer. It is just about as responsive as XP is, and all the urban myths about windows 7 being a "beginner" OS can be put to rest, IMO. Really, How is IE9 a PITA to install....? just download the installer and run, no hassles, reboot once, and you are good to go. The entire process is automated. took 3 mins with average download speed of 317 kilobytes/sec. No bloody voodoo or anything like that. Just like how I installed IE8 on XP. I think I will post a review of it in the "Reviews and Recommendations" section over here after I'm done tinkering around with it and all. Win 7 works perfectly fine on the (very) low-end computer that I use every day and run 24/7 (in my Specs)-I have a Windows Experience Index rating of 5.3-the worst performers were the RAM and the GPU. I can finally play a copy of Halo 2 that had been gathering dust on the shelf for a few years-it required at least Vista to run. 50 FPS with most details set to high, 1280x720 resolution. Quote from: Transfusion on August 10, 2011, 10:11:51 AM My dad sent two "leftover" copies of windows 7 ultimate (shouldn't they be using professional....?) There is a Windows 7 version comparison chart here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Comparison_chart I have to say, I agree with everything you have said about Windows 7. And IE9. Quote from: Transfusion on August 10, 2011, 10:11:51 AM I looked in the mail and surprise! My dad sent two "leftover" copies of windows 7 ultimate (shouldn't they be using professional....?) from his workplace so we could have a much-needed upgrade... I am using Win7 to type this now and honestly cannot see why people (me included ) have to stick with the antiquated XP. I think I will even scrap the XP-7 dual boot right now... Some of those advanced maintenance tools are BLOCKED in home premiumn ... some need you to have pro or ultimate. Quote from: immental1200 on August 10, 2011, 10:55:06 AM Some of those advanced maintenance tools are BLOCKED in home premiumn ... some need you to have pro or ultimate. ... and your point is? Quote from: Salmon Trout on August 10, 2011, 10:57:19 AM ... and your point is? That 7 may NOT be better than XP in terms of maintenance and advanced features for the average user... How did we even get to talking about OS differences... just downgrade from IE9 to IE8 - Sorted As I don't use IE anyway im fine. |
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