Solve : How Do I know if I Need Java??

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Answer» I read that Java weakens your PC security and should be removed "if you do not need it". How can I determine if I need it? Thanks.You can search for "programs that use Java" and find many that do require it. Windows does not automatically install it. Programs such as "Open Office" will install it when you install tat program. Java is under the ownership on just one commercial importation. Namely, Oracle Corporation. Therefore other companies may say negative things about nit for their own reasons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_%28software_platform%29 Java is not JavaScript. I use Java on some of my web pages. Java was part of the Android system. On August 12, 2010, Oracle sued Google over claimed infringement of copyrights and patents related to the Java programming language... ..Android did not infringe on Oracle's patents or copyright, that Oracle's patents were invalid, and several other defenses. .. The above is arguable. Does this help any?Quote from: artbuc on January 16, 2014, 06:41:07 PM I read that Java weakens your PC security and should be removed "if you do not need it". How can I determine if I need it? Thanks. If you do not want that to happen, don't use the computer. Serious and not joking. When you switch on the computer and connect to internet, you are already "vulnerable". Its not Java. Its about the things/software you use. An outdated web browser, unpatched operating system etc can contribute to that insecurity as well.Quote from: artbuc on January 16, 2014, 06:41:07 PM I read that Java weakens your PC security and should be removed "if you do not need it". How can I determine if I need it? Thanks. If you install only the JRE and do not install the browser-plugins (which might require they be manually removed afterwards), whether you do or do not have Java installed will not have any salient security consideration.Quote from: BC_Programmer on January 17, 2014, 02:39:50 AM If you install only the JRE and do not install the browser-plugins (which might require they be manually removed afterwards), whether you do or do not have Java installed will not have any salient security consideration. Yes, that is my understanding based on something I just read. They also suggested disabling the java browser plug-in for a few weeks to see if it caused any issues. Thanks for all of your responses.Well, I have completed the Win 7 install and have downloaded most of my programs. Think I will not install Java until I am told it is necessary to accomplish a task.As far as i know, the JDK (Java Development Kit) also is required to install the SDK (Software Development Kit) of the most insecure mobile-Operating System ever been created called Android.Yeah, that's generally my approach - Only install Java needed (Although as I develop a lot in Java I generally do have it). You will know if you need Java as you will receive a message when you try to run a Java-requiring application telling you to install it. Quote I read that Java weakens your PC security Java itself isn't a problem, it's the browser plugin that allows websites to "embed" Java programs, known as "Applets". The issue with Java applets lie in their power, they have very close abilities to that of a regular Windows .exe file however as it's in a browser, people tend to think of them like a Flash video rather than running a .exe file and don't give a second thought to allowing them to execute. So when you are asked to run a Java applet think "If this was a Windows .exe file instead of a Java applet, would I run it?" Nowadays browsers will ask permission before launching a Java applet so if you do end up installing Java, just make sure you only agree to run a Java applet when you know what it does. Merely having Java on your PC isn't really a security issue, it's running Java applets that you don't trust that poses the main issues. Quote install the SDK (Software Development Kit) of the most insecure mobile-Operating System ever been created called Android. Please keep this thread on topic - The Android SDK and your opinion about its security is not related to the original question about whether JRE is needed.Quote from: m_ilad__ on January 25, 2014, 05:56:19 PM most insecure mobile-Operating System ever been created called Android. substantiate, or recant.this topic isn't the right place to discuss about the Android OS. The topic starter has got his/her answer as he/she mentioned.Quote Please keep this thread on topic - The Android SDK and your opinion about its security is not related to the original question about whether JRE is needed. Look at you. That's how you work. Just this. Coping my text from the "Instal" word and then saying garbage about it that has nothing Realy to do with you. I'm glad could help the Topic starter a bit. Coping my text just from the "instal" word?? That's kinda criminal job. and I wonder why moderator NOW wouldn't warn you. Oh isn't it kinda rudeness, moderators? Isn't it worse than that? That quoting my text from just "instal" word? Oh was I even talking to you, comerongray? Ok so therefore i will do that too. See: Quote Please keep this thread on The Android SDK and your opinion about its security. Is this ok?Quote from: camerongray on January 25, 2014, 06:57:27 PM Java itself isn't a problem every piece of software have their fiar share of bugs. Java is no exception. that's why there are security updates.Quote from: briandams on January 25, 2014, 10:06:58 PM every piece of software have their fiar share of bugs. Java is no exception. that's why there are security updates. The JRE is not a viable attack vector unless it is installed as a browser plugin. While it's true that a successful attack could then run .class or .jar FILES only if the JRE is installed, it's also true that at that point it would not require any extra exploitation to simply install the JRE. Security issues related to Java are solely with the Java Web Start and Java Applets, both of which, of course, require a Java plugin. The REASON that security issues do not apply to simply installing the JRE is because the run-time does not have any more access to the system than a standard desktop Java application; it is the applications that run under Java that are not SUPPOSED to have that full access, which the VM is supposed to prevent, that comprise the security vulnerabilities and exploits- only Java web start Applications and Applets fall into this category. Some of these exploits and vulnerabilities are within the Base Class Library, of course- but they still only apply in the context of a browser plugin, because with a standard desktop application there is nothing to exploit by virtue of the application already having the same level of access that the run-time itself does.Quote from: artbuc on January 25, 2014, 05:20:57 PM Well, I have completed the Win 7 install and have downloaded most of my programs. Think I will not install Java until I am told it is necessary to accomplish a task. Built my wifes LAST computer one year ago this month. Never installed java on it and it still doesn't have java on it because she hasn't run anything that has required it yet.

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I read that Java weakens your PC security and should be removed "if you do not need it". How can I determine if I need it? Thanks.You can search for "programs that use Java" and find many that do require it.
Windows does not automatically install it. Programs such as "Open Office" will install it when you install tat program.

Java is under the ownership on just one commercial importation.
Namely, Oracle Corporation. Therefore other companies may say negative things about nit for their own reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_%28software_platform%29

Java is not JavaScript.
I use Java on some of my web pages.
Java was part of the Android system. **

** On August 12, 2010, Oracle sued Google over claimed infringement of copyrights and patents related to the Java programming language...
..Android did not infringe on Oracle's patents or copyright, that Oracle's patents were invalid, and several other defenses. ..
The above is arguable.

Does this help any?Quote from: artbuc on January 16, 2014, 06:41:07 PM

I read that Java weakens your PC security and should be removed "if you do not need it". How can I determine if I need it? Thanks.

If you do not want that to happen, don't use the computer. Serious and not joking. When you switch on the computer and connect to internet, you are already "vulnerable". Its not Java. Its about the things/software you use. An outdated web browser, unpatched operating system etc can contribute to that insecurity as well.Quote from: artbuc on January 16, 2014, 06:41:07 PM

I read that Java weakens your PC security and should be removed "if you do not need it". How can I determine if I need it? Thanks.

If you install only the JRE and do not install the browser-plugins (which might require they be manually removed afterwards), whether you do or do not have Java installed will not have any salient security consideration.Quote from: BC_Programmer on January 17, 2014, 02:39:50 AM

If you install only the JRE and do not install the browser-plugins (which might require they be manually removed afterwards), whether you do or do not have Java installed will not have any salient security consideration.

Yes, that is my understanding based on something I just read. They also suggested disabling the java browser plug-in for a few weeks to see if it caused any issues. Thanks for all of your responses.Well, I have completed the Win 7 install and have downloaded most of my programs. Think I will not install Java until I am told it is necessary to accomplish a task.As far as i know, the JDK (Java Development Kit) also is required to install the SDK (Software Development Kit) of the most insecure mobile-Operating System ever been created called Android.Yeah, that's generally my approach - Only install Java needed (Although as I develop a lot in Java I generally do have it). You will know if you need Java as you will receive a message when you try to run a Java-requiring application telling you to install it.

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I read that Java weakens your PC security

Java itself isn't a problem, it's the browser plugin that allows websites to "embed" Java programs, known as "Applets". The issue with Java applets lie in their power, they have very close abilities to that of a regular Windows .exe file however as it's in a browser, people tend to think of them like a Flash video rather than running a .exe file and don't give a second thought to allowing them to execute. So when you are asked to run a Java applet think "If this was a Windows .exe file instead of a Java applet, would I run it?"

Nowadays browsers will ask permission before launching a Java applet so if you do end up installing Java, just make sure you only agree to run a Java applet when you know what it does. Merely having Java on your PC isn't really a security issue, it's running Java applets that you don't trust that poses the main issues.

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install the SDK (Software Development Kit) of the most insecure mobile-Operating System ever been created called Android.

Please keep this thread on topic - The Android SDK and your opinion about its security is not related to the original question about whether JRE is needed.Quote from: m_ilad__ on January 25, 2014, 05:56:19 PM

most insecure mobile-Operating System ever been created called Android.

substantiate, or recant.this topic isn't the right place to discuss about the Android OS.
The topic starter has got his/her answer as he/she mentioned.Quote

Please keep this thread on topic - The Android SDK and your opinion about its security is not related to the original question about whether JRE is needed.

Look at you. That's how you work. Just this.
Coping my text from the "Instal" word and then saying garbage about it that has nothing Realy to do with you.
I'm glad could help the Topic starter a bit.
Coping my text just from the "instal" word??
That's kinda criminal job.
and I wonder why moderator NOW wouldn't warn you.
Oh isn't it kinda rudeness, moderators?
Isn't it worse than that? That quoting my text from just "instal" word?
Oh was I even talking to you, comerongray?
Ok so therefore i will do that too. See:
Quote

Please keep this thread on The Android SDK and your opinion about its security.

Is this ok?Quote from: camerongray on January 25, 2014, 06:57:27 PM

Java itself isn't a problem

every piece of software have their fiar share of bugs. Java is no exception. that's why there are security updates.Quote from: briandams on January 25, 2014, 10:06:58 PM

every piece of software have their fiar share of bugs. Java is no exception. that's why there are security updates.

The JRE is not a viable attack vector unless it is installed as a browser plugin. While it's true that a successful attack could then run .class or .jar FILES only if the JRE is installed, it's also true that at that point it would not require any extra exploitation to simply install the JRE.

Security issues related to Java are solely with the Java Web Start and Java Applets, both of which, of course, require a Java plugin. The REASON that security issues do not apply to simply installing the JRE is because the run-time does not have any more access to the system than a standard desktop Java application; it is the applications that run under Java that are not SUPPOSED to have that full access, which the VM is supposed to prevent, that comprise the security vulnerabilities and exploits- only Java web start Applications and Applets fall into this category.

Some of these exploits and vulnerabilities are within the Base Class Library, of course- but they still only apply in the context of a browser plugin, because with a standard desktop application there is nothing to exploit by virtue of the application already having the same level of access that the run-time itself does.Quote from: artbuc on January 25, 2014, 05:20:57 PM

Well, I have completed the Win 7 install and have downloaded most of my programs. Think I will not install Java until I am told it is necessary to accomplish a task.

Built my wifes LAST computer one year ago this month. Never installed java on it and it still doesn't have java on it because she hasn't run anything that has required it yet.

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