Solve : How To plan to restore XP if needed after 2014.?

1.	Solve : How To plan to restore XP if needed after 2014.?
Answer» No, I don't mean system restore. Let me explain. Here are quotes quotes below. HTTP://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP Windows XP is an operating system produced by Microsoft and first released to COMPUTER manufacturers on August 24, 2001. On April 10, 2012, Microsoft reaffirmed that extended support for Windows XP and Office 2003 would end on April 8, 2014 and suggested that administrators begin preparing to migrate to a newer OS. According to web analytics data generated by Net Applications, Windows XP was the most widely used operating system until August 2012, when Windows 7 overtook it.[20] As of February 2013, Windows XP market share is at 38.99%, having decreased almost every month Here is my quesion. I have older wquipment lahying arund that I would like to use sometimes. I have COA for each. I know that a motherboard might noutlive its hard drive. So in the event of a hard drive faiure, will I be able to install XP again? I have heard that a new hard drive alternates the activation process and I will have a problem. How can I activate Windows XP after the 2014 shut off? ? How do I install the security updates that came after SP3? The Activation Servers aren't being shut down. And you may want to DLoad and burn all the security updates to date after SP3 in case thay aren't gonna be available... However i wouldn't sweat it as if you need those for Win2k for example they can still be had...If activation servers were ever a threat of being shut down, Ghost 2003 is a perfect pair up for not having to reactivate XP ever again on that same computer as long as there are no drastic HARDWARE changes. You can have these systems built to Windows XP SP3 with the last of the updates saved to a couple DVD-R discs labelled as a recovery set for that machine. If the hard drive failed. Pop in another 40GB IDE hard drive and push the image to that hard drive. The images would likely outlive the computer all together if kept in a safe place in a jewel case. I have 2 or 3 jewel cases inside my Windows XP towers resting on the bottom in case I ever need to restore them back to clean state. Just need to pop the side cover off and boot off of DVD1 and then pop in DVD2 and DVD3 in order as requested by ghost. When all is done DVD discs go back inside in their protective jewel cases and back inside the computer case for next time. I started implementing this when I was losing track of where I put my system recovery discs. This one MCSE was showing me something the one day with a RAID controller and I was like..." HEY!!! Now that is a Smart Idea!!!" He had an ESD bag inside the tower duct taped to the inside chasis with the Floppy disks and other software for that server. Since that day, I try to remember to keep the recovery discs inside the system occupying some of the wasted space which is perfect for safe storage and always having it when needed! Quote However i wouldn't sweat it as if you need those for Win2k for example they can still be had... Very True! Rebuilt a old Compaq EVO 2 weeks ago from its red system recovery disc for Windows 2000 Professional and was able to get SP4 and others easily.I'm glad to hear, that I'm not the only Ghost 2003 user left in the world. I can bring the recovery from a hard drive CRASH down to a 15 minute process, using Ghost and a backup image file, located somewhere off of the main HD. It can be on any type of removable media, even a second internal hard drive. I used Ghost 2003, from a DOS boot disk, till I ran into windows 7. Ooooops! Ghost 2003 could not deal with the new type of MBR on Win-7. But Symantec also knew this, so they upgraded Ghost 2003 to Ghost 11.5. It looks and runs exactly like Ghost 2003, but it's larger and won't fit on a floppy disk like Ghost 2003 would. So, I run it from either a CD or a Flash Drive. On my boot disk, I also have a number of batch files, to do various cleanup operations on the HD before making a backup. Deleting all the junk files, old restore points and the Pagefile, cuts the size of my backups by several Gigabytes. I can even access an NTFS drive, from my DOS boot disk, because my DOS boot disk contains NTFS4DOS, which allows me to access an NTFS drive C in DOS. I've been at this a long time and I've learned how to accommodate for just about any eventuality. Just for fun, recently I Googled "Ghost 11.5" and found an ISO to a boot CD somewhere out there........(not sayin' where) As Fox Mulder would SAY, "The Truth is out there!" Interesting thread The Shadow Thanks to all. In fact, I do have a old copy of Norton Ghost. Will put it to use, Quote I used Ghost 2003, from a DOS boot disk, till I ran into windows 7. Ooooops! Ghost 2003 could not deal with the new type of MBR on Win-7. But Symantec also knew this, so they upgraded Ghost 2003 to Ghost 11.5. It looks and runs exactly like Ghost 2003, but it's larger and won't fit on a floppy disk like Ghost 2003 would. So, I run it from either a CD or a Flash Drive. Good to know that Win 7 works with Ghost 11.5. I was saddened when I ran into same issue of Ghost 2003 not supporting 7 As for it is an awesome tool, or was an awesome tool for older systems such as Windows 2000 Pro and Windows XP that I used it on both at home and at work. One tool I made for myself with Ghost 2003 was that most computers no longer have floppy drives, so I took a floppy disk that I configured for use with Intel Pro 100 NIC driver with static IP of 130.0.0.2 and migrated it from 1.44MB Floppy Disk to a CD labelled as my Ghost Network Disc. I then installed Intel Pro 100 NIC's into these systems in the available PCI slots that were not in use and this way they had no problems linking up to the Ghost 2003 NDIS2 NIC driver. Booted the systems to take the image as slaves off this CD and told it to run as slave. Then connected to the network I have another Windows XP computer that holds all the images on its local hard drive for the 4 other systems that I have licenses to support ghosting of, and tell that system to boot up with Ghost over Network with IP of 130.0.0.1. Then I tell this image server system that it is master. They then establish a handshake. I then am able to navigate from the system acting as the image server and tell it to push an image of choice over the 100mbps network to the other systems hard drive. In about 10 minutes the ghost process is complete. I then remove the CD from the system that was to take the image as the slave, and reboot computer and its now running off the image that was transferred over the network. I ended up using Easy CD Creator version 4 or 5 which had a tool to convert bootable floppies to CD, and thats how I made my bootable CD that acts like a floppy disc. This worked out better for me vs having so many DVD Discs to keep track of etc. All I needed was the bootable CD and I was able to create and restore from images between the system to create and restore images from and the master system that was my image server with a 300GB HDD. Also its nice to set it and walk away and when you come back its done vs having to insert DVD2, and then DVD3 etc. Ghost has the ability to backup to external hard drives, but I found this feature to be hit and miss. Some systems even though they had USB 2.0, were only able to connect at 1.1 speed so it took forever and a day, and you still needed a bootable (disc or disk) to get the system requiring image to accept the image from the external. I found that sending images over the 100mbps network to be way faster and trouble free with a driver matched up to NICs. I bought 10 qty Intel Pro 100+ Managed PCI NICs off of ebay for $10 with free shipping ( $1 each was a good buy ). I then flashed them all as well to be same firmware and set them up to support PXE in case I ever play around with making a Thinclient/Server box with Linux. Here is a link to the NIC I used. Ghost has support for many NICs, however pairing up Ghost 2003 with a NIC of its time period is best vs thinking it will work with a NIC that is 10 years newer. http://www.alancomputech.com/intel-pro100-management-h1138-adapter-card-pila8460b-pila8460b.html?gclid=CNrg89njlrcCFWRyQgod6V8A1QGhost is not the only choice for imaging... Just sayin...For mo' info.. use the CH search box above and type in: Disk Imaging* And get some great posts from the CH archives. Quote from: Geek-9pm on May 14, 2013, 05:37:52 PM For mo' info.. use the CH search box above and type in: Disk Imaging And get some great posts from the CH archives. I don't think it was i that needed more info...but Thanx.Norton Ghost is a great one. But for anyone viewing this Thread that doesn't have a copy lying around there is a great piece of software that is a lot like ghost. Macruim reflect. You can get a free copy legally from their cite. It too takes an iso image of your drive partition but the downer to it is that it It makes the ISo on a separate drive and you gotta make a linux boot CD and using that CD it finds the iso. Restoring takes about 20 minutes. Works great for me. Anywhere i can get a copy of ghost though? cause im still a XP user in my household. The PING ("Partimage Is Not Ghost") project http://ping.windowsdream.com/I have checked out PING before and only drawback is that it does not perform a direct burn to CD or DVD like Ghost. There is a way to manually make a bootable ISO for a DVD set, but its more involved than most people want as shown here: http://ping.windowsdream.com/ping/doc-2.01/bootiso.html The one thing I am initerested in checking out though is PINGs Image Server over network abilities. Which would be pretty close to what i was doing with Ghost 2003 over network, and the ability to boot using PXE is sweet, as for no boot disc or disk needed. http://ping.windowsdream.com/ping/doc-2.01/using.html Going to read into setting up PXE boot service with PING and try it out. Will need to use a switch that is not connected to my regular network otherwise I'd have 2 x DHCP's competing probably even if only 1 of them offers the PXE service and the other is just the routers DHCP service. http://ping.windowsdream.com/ping/doc-2.01/pxe.html Also to note Clonezilla is another thatI checked into and was not sold onto it as a replacement as for it just reminds me of DD Quote from: comda on May 15, 2013, 08:20:32 AM Norton Ghost is a great one. But for anyone viewing this Thread that doesn't have a copy lying around there is a great piece of software that is a lot like ghost. Macruim reflect. You can get a free copy legally from their cite. It too takes an iso image of your drive partition but the downer to it is that it It makes the ISo on a separate drive and you gotta make a linux boot CD and using that CD it finds the iso. Restoring takes about 20 minutes. Works great for me. Anywhere i can get a copy of ghost though? cause im still a XP user in my household. The boot CD in Macrium is a 4 minute process...don't make it sound like a chore to do when it's not... PS...all image apps need a seperate partition/drive to create the image to... Quote from: comda on May 15, 2013, 08:20:32 AM Norton Ghost is a great one. But for anyone viewing this Thread that doesn't have a copy lying around there is a great piece of software that is a lot like ghost. Macruim reflect. You can get a free copy legally from their cite. It too takes an iso image of your drive partition but the downer to it is that it It makes the ISo on a separate drive and you gotta make a linux boot CD and using that CD it finds the iso. Restoring takes about 20 minutes. Works great for me. Anywhere i can get a copy of ghost though? cause im still a XP user in my household. You are confused. Macrium creates a proprietary drive image of the drive or partition to be "backed-up". It is not an ISO image. You can create a boot CD or boot USB in either Linux or WinPE. The process of creating the boot device can create an ISO image in order to build the boot device. Macrium is compatible with XP, Vista, 7, 8.

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No, I don't mean system restore. Let me explain. Here are quotes quotes below.

HTTP://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP

Windows XP is an operating system produced by Microsoft and first released to COMPUTER manufacturers on August 24, 2001.

On April 10, 2012, Microsoft reaffirmed that extended support for Windows XP and Office 2003 would end on April 8, 2014 and suggested that administrators begin preparing to migrate to a newer OS.

According to web analytics data generated by Net Applications, Windows XP was the most widely used operating system until August 2012, when Windows 7 overtook it.[20] As of February 2013, Windows XP market share is at 38.99%, having decreased almost every month

Here is my quesion. I have older wquipment lahying arund that I would like to use sometimes. I have COA for each. I know that a motherboard might noutlive its hard drive. So in the event of a hard drive faiure, will I be able to install XP again? I have heard that a new hard drive alternates the activation process and I will have a problem.

How can I activate Windows XP after the 2014 shut off? ?
How do I install the security updates that came after SP3?
The Activation Servers aren't being shut down. And you may want to DLoad and burn all the security updates to date after SP3 in case thay aren't gonna be available...
However i wouldn't sweat it as if you need those for Win2k for example they can still be had...If activation servers were ever a threat of being shut down, Ghost 2003 is a perfect pair up for not having to reactivate XP ever again on that same computer as long as there are no drastic HARDWARE changes. You can have these systems built to Windows XP SP3 with the last of the updates saved to a couple DVD-R discs labelled as a recovery set for that machine. If the hard drive failed. Pop in another 40GB IDE hard drive and push the image to that hard drive. The images would likely outlive the computer all together if kept in a safe place in a jewel case.

I have 2 or 3 jewel cases inside my Windows XP towers resting on the bottom in case I ever need to restore them back to clean state. Just need to pop the side cover off and boot off of DVD1 and then pop in DVD2 and DVD3 in order as requested by ghost. When all is done DVD discs go back inside in their protective jewel cases and back inside the computer case for next time.

*I started implementing this when I was losing track of where I put my system recovery discs. This one MCSE was showing me something the one day with a RAID controller and I was like..." HEY!!! Now that is a Smart Idea!!!" He had an ESD bag inside the tower duct taped to the inside chasis with the Floppy disks and other software for that server. Since that day, I try to remember to keep the recovery discs inside the system occupying some of the wasted space which is perfect for safe storage and always having it when needed!

Quote

However i wouldn't sweat it as if you need those for Win2k for example they can still be had...

Very True! Rebuilt a old Compaq EVO 2 weeks ago from its red system recovery disc for Windows 2000 Professional and was able to get SP4 and others easily.I'm glad to hear, that I'm not the only Ghost 2003 user left in the world.

I can bring the recovery from a hard drive CRASH down to a 15 minute process, using Ghost and a backup image file, located somewhere off of the main HD.
It can be on any type of removable media, even a second internal hard drive.

I used Ghost 2003, from a DOS boot disk, till I ran into windows 7. Ooooops!
Ghost 2003 could not deal with the new type of MBR on Win-7.

But Symantec also knew this, so they upgraded Ghost 2003 to Ghost 11.5.
It looks and runs exactly like Ghost 2003, but it's larger and won't fit on a floppy disk like Ghost 2003 would.
So, I run it from either a CD or a Flash Drive.

On my boot disk, I also have a number of batch files, to do various cleanup operations on the HD before making a backup.
Deleting all the junk files, old restore points and the Pagefile, cuts the size of my backups by several Gigabytes.
I can even access an NTFS drive, from my DOS boot disk, because my DOS boot disk contains NTFS4DOS, which allows me
to access an NTFS drive C in DOS.

I've been at this a long time and I've learned how to accommodate for just about any eventuality.

Just for fun, recently I Googled "Ghost 11.5" and found an ISO to a boot CD somewhere out there........(not sayin' where)

As Fox Mulder would SAY, "The Truth is out there!"

Interesting thread

The Shadow

Thanks to all. In fact, I do have a old copy of Norton Ghost. Will put it to use,
Quote

I used Ghost 2003, from a DOS boot disk, till I ran into windows 7. Ooooops!
Ghost 2003 could not deal with the new type of MBR on Win-7.

But Symantec also knew this, so they upgraded Ghost 2003 to Ghost 11.5.
It looks and runs exactly like Ghost 2003, but it's larger and won't fit on a floppy disk like Ghost 2003 would.
So, I run it from either a CD or a Flash Drive.

Good to know that Win 7 works with Ghost 11.5. I was saddened when I ran into same issue of Ghost 2003 not supporting 7 As for it is an awesome tool, or was an awesome tool for older systems such as Windows 2000 Pro and Windows XP that I used it on both at home and at work.

One tool I made for myself with Ghost 2003 was that most computers no longer have floppy drives, so I took a floppy disk that I configured for use with Intel Pro 100 NIC driver with static IP of 130.0.0.2 and migrated it from 1.44MB Floppy Disk to a CD labelled as my Ghost Network Disc. I then installed Intel Pro 100 NIC's into these systems in the available PCI slots that were not in use and this way they had no problems linking up to the Ghost 2003 NDIS2 NIC driver. Booted the systems to take the image as slaves off this CD and told it to run as slave.

Then connected to the network I have another Windows XP computer that holds all the images on its local hard drive for the 4 other systems that I have licenses to support ghosting of, and tell that system to boot up with Ghost over Network with IP of 130.0.0.1. Then I tell this image server system that it is master. They then establish a handshake. I then am able to navigate from the system acting as the image server and tell it to push an image of choice over the 100mbps network to the other systems hard drive. In about 10 minutes the ghost process is complete. I then remove the CD from the system that was to take the image as the slave, and reboot computer and its now running off the image that was transferred over the network.

I ended up using Easy CD Creator version 4 or 5 which had a tool to convert bootable floppies to CD, and thats how I made my bootable CD that acts like a floppy disc.

This worked out better for me vs having so many DVD Discs to keep track of etc. All I needed was the bootable CD and I was able to create and restore from images between the system to create and restore images from and the master system that was my image server with a 300GB HDD. * Also its nice to set it and walk away and when you come back its done vs having to insert DVD2, and then DVD3 etc.

*Ghost has the ability to backup to external hard drives, but I found this feature to be hit and miss. Some systems even though they had USB 2.0, were only able to connect at 1.1 speed so it took forever and a day, and you still needed a bootable (disc or disk) to get the system requiring image to accept the image from the external. I found that sending images over the 100mbps network to be way faster and trouble free with a driver matched up to NICs.

I bought 10 qty Intel Pro 100+ Managed PCI NICs off of ebay for $10 with free shipping ( $1 each was a good buy ). I then flashed them all as well to be same firmware and set them up to support PXE in case I ever play around with making a Thinclient/Server box with Linux.

Here is a link to the NIC I used. Ghost has support for many NICs, however pairing up Ghost 2003 with a NIC of its time period is best vs thinking it will work with a NIC that is 10 years newer. http://www.alancomputech.com/intel-pro100-management-h1138-adapter-card-pila8460b-pila8460b.html?gclid=CNrg89njlrcCFWRyQgod6V8A1QGhost is not the only choice for imaging...
Just sayin...For mo' info.. use the CH search box above and type in:
Disk Imaging
And get some great posts from the CH archives.

Quote from: Geek-9pm on May 14, 2013, 05:37:52 PM

For mo' info.. use the CH search box above and type in:
Disk Imaging
And get some great posts from the CH archives.

I don't think it was i that needed more info...but Thanx.Norton Ghost is a great one. But for anyone viewing this Thread that doesn't have a copy lying around there is a great piece of software that is a lot like ghost.

Macruim reflect. You can get a free copy legally from their cite. It too takes an iso image of your drive partition but the downer to it is that it It makes the ISo on a separate drive and you gotta make a linux boot CD and using that CD it finds the iso. Restoring takes about 20 minutes. Works great for me.

Anywhere i can get a copy of ghost though? cause im still a XP user in my household. The PING ("Partimage Is Not Ghost") project
http://ping.windowsdream.com/I have checked out PING before and only drawback is that it does not perform a direct burn to CD or DVD like Ghost. There is a way to manually make a bootable ISO for a DVD set, but its more involved than most people want as shown here:

http://ping.windowsdream.com/ping/doc-2.01/bootiso.html

The one thing I am initerested in checking out though is PINGs Image Server over network abilities. Which would be pretty close to what i was doing with Ghost 2003 over network, and the ability to boot using PXE is sweet, as for no boot disc or disk needed. http://ping.windowsdream.com/ping/doc-2.01/using.html

Going to read into setting up PXE boot service with PING and try it out. Will need to use a switch that is not connected to my regular network otherwise I'd have 2 x DHCP's competing probably even if only 1 of them offers the PXE service and the other is just the routers DHCP service. http://ping.windowsdream.com/ping/doc-2.01/pxe.html

Also to note Clonezilla is another thatI checked into and was not sold onto it as a replacement as for it just reminds me of DD Quote from: comda on May 15, 2013, 08:20:32 AM

Norton Ghost is a great one. But for anyone viewing this Thread that doesn't have a copy lying around there is a great piece of software that is a lot like ghost.

Macruim reflect. You can get a free copy legally from their cite. It too takes an iso image of your drive partition but the downer to it is that it It makes the ISo on a separate drive and you gotta make a linux boot CD and using that CD it finds the iso. Restoring takes about 20 minutes. Works great for me.

Anywhere i can get a copy of ghost though? cause im still a XP user in my household.

The boot CD in Macrium is a 4 minute process...don't make it sound like a chore to do when it's not...
PS...all image apps need a seperate partition/drive to create the image to... Quote from: comda on May 15, 2013, 08:20:32 AM

Norton Ghost is a great one. But for anyone viewing this Thread that doesn't have a copy lying around there is a great piece of software that is a lot like ghost.

Macruim reflect. You can get a free copy legally from their cite. It too takes an iso image of your drive partition but the downer to it is that it It makes the ISo on a separate drive and you gotta make a linux boot CD and using that CD it finds the iso. Restoring takes about 20 minutes. Works great for me.

Anywhere i can get a copy of ghost though? cause im still a XP user in my household.

You are confused. Macrium creates a proprietary drive image of the drive or partition to be "backed-up". It is not an ISO image. You can create a boot CD or boot USB in either Linux or WinPE. The process of creating the boot device can create an ISO image in order to build the boot device.

Macrium is compatible with XP, Vista, 7, 8.

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