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Hello, thanks for looking at my thread. This might take a bit of explaining so I'll try.

I want add another drive to  my computer.  My desktop tower has a 500 Gig SATA drive with Win Xp SP3, Pentium 4, 3.00 GHz and has 2 gig of RAM.
The drive is getting full with movies that Ive recorded on my external drive and transferred to the computer.

I  have a couple of drives hanging around and tried to add them 1 by 1. So they mostly work individually... 1 Sata and some IDE.
To test the new 200 gig Sata drive, I disconnected the 500 and turned the computer on.
Long story short .. It worked.
The home screen changed to the new drive and all the programs, I had a look around the programs, ran a few and it worked ok and I even added a guest to the users account.

When I added the 200 Gig Sata to the computer with my original drive now reinstalled, the computer didn't see the 500 Gig Sata drive and just loaded the 200?  So I figured wrong connection on the Mobo.

After changing the connections on the M/B to the other and rebooting, I had only my original 500 drive. What the?

My biggest problem now is that, now the computer is back to original, with only the 500 Gig SATA drive installed, I have all these added programs, added to my "Program Files" directory. Some of them work and some don't.

Programs like ITunes, Apple Software Update, Bonjour, Bullfrog, JoshMadison, UTorrent and Yahoo to name a few, all programs that I didnt install or don't use.

Is this typical of adding or changing drives? Personally I haven't had anything like this before and what do I do to undo the changes please?User Profile is corrupt. Create a new user acct and set to admin if you want admin RIGHTS, logon as that new user/admin and this issue should be resolved. Once you have that profile running clean and have moved all favorites etc, my documents etc over to the new profile you can leave the old profile there or delete it.

Any drives added I would format them first so that you dont have say 2 drives installed both containing windows etc. This way only the drive that you want to boot will boot and the other will act as a slave for storage. I made a bootable CD with delpart on it to dump drives years ago, but you can also delete partitions or format drives using a Live Linux CD, DVD, or if your system supports USB boot a bootable thumb drive.

Depending on what you have for a power supply I have seen issues where people go overboard and install too many hard drives and kill their power supplies such as a guy who had 4 of them for 4TB of storage. He too had his movie collection and music on the drives. Installed a much larger PSU and issue was resolved with system acting strange locking up and drives reporting not ready etc. 2 drives in a system probably wont be an issue, but if you plan on stuffing a bunch of drives in, be sure you have a powerful enough power supply to keep them all functioning. I wouldnt bother with the IDE drives as for they are slower and unless you are desperate for every extra GB of storage and on a very tight budget, if you need more space, I'd go with a modern single drive that is say 1TB that can work equal to the maximum storage capacity of about 4 IDE drives and faster with lesser power required, heat created, and having data scattered among multiple drives.

Long time ago I spanned a bunch of IDE drives together to get 600GB of storage, then one of the drives failed and I lost all my data. Lesson learned was that if I need more space, spend he money to buy and install a larger drive.I doubt it's a User Profile issue...otherwise it wouldn't have worked the 1st time.

Since we now know that Both HDD's have an OS on them Guru needs to answer some questions before advice is given.
What OS is on the 500 ?
What OS is on the 200 ?

Is your goal to be able to use both drives as they are including the OS and apps on each respective HDD ? ?

Or are you simply looking for more storage space as is what i assumed from the original post.
When 2 HDD's that are both bootable are introduced piecemeal it is easy for the BIOS to get confused as to which one to boot...this is what's happened here.

Let us know what your goals are for this setup and we can proceed... Quote

I doubt it's a User Profile issue...otherwise it wouldn't have worked the 1st time.

Reason for suggesting profile related was because I had a client attach a 2nd hard drive once and his windows desktop populated with shortcuts to programs on that 2nd hard drive on its own. ( Makes no sense, but seen it happen. Then when the 2nd hard drive was removed all links on desktop etc in relation to programs on that 2nd drive with the 2nd drive gone were non functional. This problem was fixed by creating a new profile and dumping the old profile. )

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My biggest problem now is that, now the computer is back to original, with only the 500 Gig SATA drive installed, I have all these added programs, added to my "Program Files" directory. Some of them work and some don't.

Programs like ITunes, Apple Software Update, Bonjour, Bullfrog, JoshMadison, UTorrent and Yahoo to name a few, all programs that I didnt install or don't use.

His statement quoted from his original post sounds exactly like the issue I dealt with on a clients system where somehow software from Program Files and Desktop shortcuts etc were inherrited/merged from the 2nd drive with 2 drives installed with same version of Windows and may have even been set up with same user name and password to allow a strange inherritance/merger like this. What was even stranger was that when navigating in the Programs via Start - > Programs programs were inherrited/merged from the 2nd drive which is gone, and when navigating to C:\Program Files\   only the programs that were to the original hard drive where there, so the profile had become corrupt with a merger or inherritance between both drives connected and when teh 2nd drive was removed it remained. *This client claimed they never installed the programs that were inherrited from the 2nd drive, but the programs were on the 2nd drive from a prior install of Windows XP, so they claimed they didnt install them, yet at some point in the past when this 2nd hard drive was the primary drive they did.

With creating a new user profile and setting up as admin, a very simple test to see if this fixes that issue of this request for help, that is why I suggested it. Personally I dont know how this inherritanfce or merger between the 2 drives took place. Makes no sense, but it happened! And the 10 minute fix was creating a new profile and deleting the old after My Documents and Favorites were copied over etc.

So my question is if they are looking at Start-> Programs with added programs thinking its also additional programs in Program Files -or- if they have navigated to C:\Program Files\ and see extra items there that were never there from the beginning? 

* If none of the wrong software is in C:\Program Files\   BUT they see it in Start-> Programs (and they assume thats a good indication of what is in C:\Program Files\) as extra items listed then its the same exact issue my one client had. If there are extra items in C:\Program Files\ that were not installed, then they have pointed out a different problem which is just as strange as my clients system with the profile programs merger.in my own opinion for this problem...
first is,, are you adding one 200 Gig HDD because there is an insufficient space for the original Drive which is 500 Gig?

and if so, aware of one operating system or more than one is installed in one hard disk, so, having two hard disk for pc is having two operating system??

What is your purpose of having two hard drive??

For the computer it might be the confusing task whenever boot comes first from the hard disk and finding two hard drives, which one should the computer boots.... We're still waiting for him to clarify what it is he wants to do...
Until then everything is speculation.Thanks patio for the post. I read both posts & the short answer is Yes.. Your right patio.... but then also so too is DaveLembke. 

I just wanted some more storage so I could send all the video files to the 200, but I didn't know what the 200 had on it. As it turned out it had an operating system on it & as Dave said, it got confused and read from them both. When the 200 was the main O/S, my screen asked to update drivers, found new hardware and so on, and honestly I wasnt paying much attention to everything that was going on. So I figure that operator inattention was the main cause here.

Quote from: ImnoGuru on January 03, 2013, 11:02:45 PM
I want add another drive to  my computer.  My desktop tower has a 500 Gig SATA drive with Win Xp SP3, Pentium 4, 3.00 GHz and has 2 gig of RAM.

The 200 seems to have XP on it as well. (It had the same appearance of XP start up. I took it out now & left it out).
I only wanted this drive for storage to empty the 500, but I didn't have any knowledge of it, so I installed it to have a look.

It turns out that when my 500 was originally installed, somehow the connection was on sata1 on the motherboard and the 200, I connected to "the other" connection on the motherboard. Turns out that was SATA 0.
I'm pretty sure this is how it all became so confusing.

Quote from: DaveLembke on January 05, 2013, 01:19:06 AM
I had a client attach a 2nd hard drive once and his windows desktop populated with shortcuts to programs on that 2nd hard drive on its own. ( Makes no sense, but seen it happen. Then when the 2nd hard drive was removed all links on desktop etc in relation to programs on that 2nd drive with the 2nd drive gone were non functional.

His statement quoted from his original post sounds exactly like the issue I dealt with on a clients system where somehow software from Program Files and Desktop shortcuts etc were inherited/merged from the 2nd drive with 2 drives installed with same version of Windows and may have even been set up with same user name and password to allow a strange inheritance/merger like this. What was even stranger was that when navigating in the Programs via Start - > Programs programs were inherited/merged from the 2nd drive which is gone, and when navigating to C:\Program Files\   only the programs that were to the original hard drive where there, so the profile had become corrupt with a merger or inheritance between both drives connected and when the 2nd drive was removed it remained. *This client claimed they never installed the programs that were inherited from the 2nd drive, but the programs were on the 2nd drive from a prior install of Windows XP, so they claimed they didnt install them, yet at some point in the past when this 2nd hard drive was the primary drive they did.



My (newly added) programs when clicked, want to go through an installation process & if I let them they would COMPLETE. (not that there would be any harm in any of that) well not that I can tell, there are some good programs there. Some are really old though & been upgraded to newer versions like "Nero 6", "Acrobat.com","Adobe Digital Editions", "Google Chrome & Earth", I dont know what "Adobe Reader X" is but it DOESNT seem as though they are any problem.

Anyway, I have decided that there is actually no real problem with the merger, just a lot of confusion. So I went out and purchased a 2 TB desktop drive to sweep all the files out that I want to clear off the drive & I may as well clean out the three laptops at the same time. At $97.00 AU, I might just get another one and use it as a dedicated drive on my DVR.

DaveLembke, thank you too for you suggestion on the user profile. I will actually try that after I thin the drive of all the videos and movies, just to try it out. ( might take a while though before I put the 200 back in.) I'll give it a shot and let you know what happens.

Thank you ImnoGuru.Jp_Hernandez thank you too for your input.
It wasnt intentional to have 2 drives with O/S. I had no knowledge of the 200. I just wanted to dump the videos off the 500 to clear up some space. So I installed it and went to "MY Computer" to view it.

The other problem that presented, was that the 500 when originally installed was on the SATA 1 connection on the MoBo.. I suppose since it was a stand alone drive it doesnt really matter where it was connected.

I couldn't find out from anywhere as to whether SATA drives ,like IDE have/had some way of setting the drive as a slave with pins.
I have since learned that SATA 0 is what you would call the primary drive position & SATA 1 could be identified as the slave. ( I hope I got that right)

The more I am here, the more I learn.  There are no Master/Slave jumpers on most SATA HDD's...
It depends more on the MBoard layout itself...
Normally SATA 0 and SATA 1 are master/boot devices.

For example on my ASUS MBoard if i hook up a HDD to anything higher than SATA 2 even if it has an OS installed on it the BIOS will not attempt to boot to it effectively making it a slave HDD... Quote from: patio on January 09, 2013, 07:28:13 AM
There are no Master/Slave jumpers on most SATA HDD's...
It depends more on the MBoard layout itself...
Normally SATA 0 and SATA 1 are master/boot devices.

Thats right patio, that is exactly what I found out. Now my 500 is on SATA 0 & I'm going to use the external drive to free up the space I want. 

Thanks everyone for the help. ImnoGuru.


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