Solve : Legitimate copy of Win XP won't install service pack 2...??

1.	Solve : Legitimate copy of Win XP won't install service pack 2...??
Answer» Hi all Well... my legit copy of XP is installed on my desktop, no problem here or installing updates for the past 3 or 4 years. Also had SP2 for AGES. I'm moving to a laptop, I've removed the Vista that came with it and want to install the XP onto it... all good, the new system works fine until I try to install XP Pro SERVICE pack 2... tells me it won't let me because my copy of Windows is naughty naughty... but it's not. How do I tell them it's mine, or get around it so I can install SP2 or now SP3? The MS website is a bit of a nightmare... I spent 15 minutes there looking for the right links but came up with about fifty different pages where I can buy software but nowhere to fix my prob! :-) So, you installed the same edition of Windows XP on your laptop as your desktop, right? Then, it's not a legitimate installation on your laptop. The Windows licence is for one computer. But the first PC I won't be using... it's going for spare parts, bless it's little hammered soul. 1. How do they know the original PC and WIn reg # isn't that PC? 2. How do I de-register it from one PC and register it on the new one? is this even possible? 3. What do I do with my censored useless new Vista reg code now! I don't want it. Anyone wanna swap? is there a way to SIMPLIFY Vista so it's more like XP? I know I know... we're all afraid of change... but I really dislike Vista. :-) chad, 1.=Your computer talks to the mothership anytime you connect to the internet. 2.=Can't do that 3.=Can't do that either. truenorthIf you have an OEM version of Windows, I don't think that you can transfer it to another machine. If you have a retail version, I think that you can transfer it - call MS. Actually, I think the MS license says that when the computer goes, so does your license to use that copy of Windows. Many states, however, have disallowed that provision in the MS license.Quote from: drmsucks If you have a retail version, I think that you can transfer it The Windows XP EULA states Quote You may move the Software to a different Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the Software from the former Workstation Computer. Outside the USA things are different a UK (British) court has ruled that Microsoft and other "shrink-wrap" EULAs do not have legal force, because the buyer cannot review them before concluding the contract, and I have a feeling that they may contravene European law generally. [update] They do. When you buy a piece of shrinkwrap software, anything that is not printed on the OUTSIDE of the box is void and legally unenforceable, thus the plain copyright applies. By buying the box you make a contract conclusion, and any contract clause you are not able to know BEFORE the conclusion is invalid - including a paper inside the box, a textfile on the CD, and especially a text only shown on installation. The UK and European law seems to make a lot of sense. I think that many U.S. states have also brought some reason to the MS EULA by declaring certain sections unenforceable in their state.The UK has been a part of the European Union since 01.01.1973, and European law applies to us, but even if it didn't, British contract law has always contained the principle that unfair clauses in a contract are null and void, and you can't get more unfair than a "contract" that you cannot even see before concluding the contract. On a side note, I am afraid that on this forum (and others) far too much inaccurate and ill-informed stuff is written about what is and is not "illegal". Some people forget that the whole world is not America, and I think some people have the idea that Microsoft's EULAs are actually laws. Points raised do all have merit.However ultimately it will be Bill and Co. that will either permit it or not (by virtue of denying use or upgrades,updates,etc).I believe that when the computer leaves the shop (when Windows is the O/S) it comes with embedded software that GIVES them monitoring access to the O/S and what computer it is in. While we may argue the legalese and morality of this setup the fact remains that unless you are prepared to fight it in court (after the fact) i believe you will be denied use in some manner or other. If I'm wrong Hurrah. i am of the opinion that if you purchase something you own it to do as you wish with it--give it away if you wish--but it appears with certain copyright material you own it with constraints.truenorthI hope Chad will be able to re-install Vista. I don't like Vista either but I'm determined to live with it.Quote from: SuperDave on August 06, 2008, 05:20:50 PM I hope Chad will be able to re-install Vista. I don't like Vista either but I'm determined to live with it. I think thats where I'm heading now... but that presents a new problem... I bought the laptop with Windows... and have a legal reg key... but now no software! Why don't they supply a censored disk if it's so anti-piracy-proof!!! Who is the computer mfg? I'd be surprised if: a) you don't (or did before you started messing around) have a recovery partition or b) can't get a recovery disk from the mfg.Quote from: drmsucks on August 06, 2008, 08:54:12 PM Who is the computer mfg? I'd be surprised if: a) you don't (or did before you started messing around) have a recovery partition or b) can't get a recovery disk from the mfg. Yep... I'm in the queue now... Oh! Success... Someone from HP will call me back within 48 hours to tell me how much the recovery disk will be... I was online with a HP rep 4 days ago telling them exactly what I wanted to do (ie remove Vista and install XP on clean partitions) they guided me through it! No mention of recovery disk, no mention of the 8 devices that won't work on Xp... I have forced out of them a list of 8 drivers (links) that WILL work on XP... if anyone wants it posted? If it's HP, you had a recovery partition and instructions for how to make a restore DVD. You always need to have drivers for the hardware Windows doesn't have drivers for, e.g., chipset drivers. What are your computer specs and how much RAM do you have? My personal experience with Vista is that it is 'smoother' than XP but slower on every task. But, without 2 GB of RAM or more, the 'user experience' sucks. I have 2 GB on each Vista machine and Vista runs fine - ALBEIT slower than XP.

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Hi all

Well... my legit copy of XP is installed on my desktop, no problem here or installing updates for the past 3 or 4 years. Also had SP2 for AGES.

I'm moving to a laptop, I've removed the Vista that came with it and want to install the XP onto it... all good, the new system works fine until I try to install XP Pro SERVICE pack 2... tells me it won't let me because my copy of Windows is naughty naughty... but it's not.

How do I tell them it's mine, or get around it so I can install SP2 or now SP3?

The MS website is a bit of a nightmare... I spent 15 minutes there looking for the right links but came up with about fifty different pages where I can buy software but nowhere to fix my prob!

:-)

So, you installed the same edition of Windows XP on your laptop as your desktop, right? Then, it's not a legitimate installation on your laptop. The Windows licence is for one computer. But the first PC I won't be using... it's going for spare parts, bless it's little hammered soul.

1. How do they know the original PC and WIn reg # isn't that PC?

2. How do I de-register it from one PC and register it on the new one?

is this even possible?

3. What do I do with my *censored* useless new Vista reg code now! I don't want it. Anyone wanna swap?

is there a way to SIMPLIFY Vista so it's more like XP? I know I know... we're all afraid of change... but I really dislike Vista.

:-)

chad,
1.=Your computer talks to the mothership anytime you connect to the internet.
2.=Can't do that
3.=Can't do that either.
truenorthIf you have an OEM version of Windows, I don't think that you can transfer it to another machine.

If you have a retail version, I think that you can transfer it - call MS. Actually, I think the MS license says that when the computer goes, so does your license to use that copy of Windows. Many states, however, have disallowed that provision in the MS license.Quote from: drmsucks

If you have a retail version, I think that you can transfer it

The Windows XP EULA states

Quote

You may move the Software to a different Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the Software from the former Workstation Computer.

Outside the USA things are different a UK (British) court has ruled that Microsoft and other "shrink-wrap" EULAs do not have legal force, because the buyer cannot review them before concluding the contract, and I have a feeling that they may contravene European law generally.

[update] They do.

When you buy a piece of shrinkwrap software, anything that is not printed on the OUTSIDE of the box is void and legally unenforceable, thus the plain copyright applies. By buying the box you make a contract conclusion, and any contract clause you are not able to know BEFORE the conclusion is invalid - including a paper inside the box, a textfile on the CD, and especially a text only shown on installation.

The UK and European law seems to make a lot of sense. I think that many U.S. states have also brought some reason to the MS EULA by declaring certain sections unenforceable in their state.The UK has been a part of the European Union since 01.01.1973, and European law applies to us, but even if it didn't, British contract law has always contained the principle that unfair clauses in a contract are null and void, and you can't get more unfair than a "contract" that you cannot even see before concluding the contract.

On a side note, I am afraid that on this forum (and others) far too much inaccurate and ill-informed stuff is written about what is and is not "illegal". Some people forget that the whole world is not America, and I think some people have the idea that Microsoft's EULAs are actually laws.

Points raised do all have merit.However ultimately it will be Bill and Co. that will either permit it or not (by virtue of denying use or upgrades,updates,etc).I believe that when the computer leaves the shop (when Windows is the O/S) it comes with embedded software that GIVES them monitoring access to the O/S and what computer it is in. While we may argue the legalese and morality of this setup the fact remains that unless you are prepared to fight it in court (after the fact) i believe you will be denied use in some manner or other. If I'm wrong Hurrah. i am of the opinion that if you purchase something you own it to do as you wish with it--give it away if you wish--but it appears with certain copyright material you own it with constraints.truenorthI hope Chad will be able to re-install Vista. I don't like Vista either but I'm determined to live with it.Quote from: SuperDave on August 06, 2008, 05:20:50 PM

I hope Chad will be able to re-install Vista. I don't like Vista either but I'm determined to live with it.

I think thats where I'm heading now... but that presents a new problem... I bought the laptop with Windows... and have a legal reg key... but now no software!

Why don't they supply a *censored* disk if it's so anti-piracy-proof!!! Who is the computer mfg?

I'd be surprised if: a) you don't (or did before you started messing around) have a recovery partition or b) can't get a recovery disk from the mfg.Quote from: drmsucks on August 06, 2008, 08:54:12 PM

Who is the computer mfg?

I'd be surprised if: a) you don't (or did before you started messing around) have a recovery partition or b) can't get a recovery disk from the mfg.

Yep... I'm in the queue now... Oh!

Success...
Someone from HP will call me back within 48 hours to tell me how much the recovery disk will be...

I was online with a HP rep 4 days ago telling them exactly what I wanted to do (ie remove Vista and install XP on clean partitions) they guided me through it! No mention of recovery disk, no mention of the 8 devices that won't work on Xp...

I have forced out of them a list of 8 drivers (links) that WILL work on XP... if anyone wants it posted?

If it's HP, you had a recovery partition and instructions for how to make a restore DVD.

You always need to have drivers for the hardware Windows doesn't have drivers for, e.g., chipset drivers.

What are your computer specs and how much RAM do you have? My personal experience with Vista is that it is 'smoother' than XP but slower on every task. But, without 2 GB of RAM or more, the 'user experience' sucks. I have 2 GB on each Vista machine and Vista runs fine - ALBEIT slower than XP.

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