Solve : Win Vista home: copy & paste comes and goes?

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Answer» You're welcome and I'm glad cut/copy/paste is working. I can't imagine how it could be related to new definitions being downloaded.Quote from: dixieflash on August 05, 2010, 09:55:13 AM Well, wouldn't you know - copy and paste has revived itself with no action on my part. Hmmmm??? Okay, Auto Fill is still not working. Thanks for the Norton link - I was unable to find that. Now maybe I can ask some questions there. I really appreciate all of the replies. Dixieflash Auto fill generally runs off a master password.. is there a section in Norton that allows you to VIEW this.. sorry it's been a while but I know there is a master password.. possibly check your browser for Norton settings.I agree with lostcoast here re: the fact that Norton is far less then it once was. That being said, I've never actually been one of their customers so can only relate to the many horror stories that I've heard from friends/relatives/neighbors about it. Either way, this back and forth "Norton sucks", "does not" "Does to!" "Does not!" isn't really constructive regardless. EDIT: curse all you, now my reply is 5 posts too late... Quote Seems like every time Norton Security downloads then auto-restarts, I can't copy say from Comcast email and paste to a Word Pad file. When you say "Comcast email" is this a special client program that installed by your ISP, or are you accessing it via another browser (Internet Explorer, Firefox, etc). If the latter, you could try another browser. If the former, it might be that you need to restart after an update because Norton hasn't properly closed it's Clipboard viewer hook chain which therefore busts pretty much all the other installed clipboard viewers, essentially rendering copy-paste inoperative. If possible if you can find a way to do a complete "restart" of Norton (that is, all it's processes are stopped and restarted) then the clipboard viewer chain hook registered to Norton will no longer point to a loaded module and windows may automatically remove that particular item from the chain. I know this is the way it often works with other hooks, I have no reason not to believe it's the same for clipboard hooks as well. Well, I poked aroound in the Norton settings, etc, did not change anything, BUT now it is auto filling the passwords again! Thanks to all. DixieflashQuote from: dixieflash on August 05, 2010, 10:33:58 AM Well, I poked aroound in the Norton settings, etc, did not change anything, BUT now it is auto filling the passwords again! Thanks to all. Dixieflash Glad we could help For the record, yes, this Norton whatever program comes with Comcast ISP. It had Macafee, which I had no problems with, but they changed. Norton is okay when it works, I guess. Thanks again for your help. Dixieflash Just fyi, there is nothing worse than McAfee. You've made a very positive move going from that to Norton.Quote from: Allan on August 05, 2010, 11:52:46 AM Just fyi, there is nothing worse than McAfee. You've made a very positive move going from that to Norton. Well, Comcast made a very positive move. She just accepted what Comcast issued. By the way, dixieflash, you could, if you so choose, uninstall Norton and still use some other anti-virus or another internet security package. But, if Norton is working OK for you now, you might WANT to stick with it. I really haven't followed developments with Norton in recent years but I'm willing to give some credence to Allan's comments about the fall and rise (the coming back in recent years) of Norton. On another note, unfortunately, this discussion provides no clue about why or how the issues have mysteriously corrected themselves. Quote from: Allan on August 05, 2010, 11:52:46 AM Just fyi, there is nothing worse than McAfee. You've made a very positive move going from that to Norton. I may or may not agree with you and I will not state here. But this kind of conversation should be carried out in the malware section of the forum. Then we can get some sage advice not just personal beliefs. We risk giving conflicting (and dangerous) advice doing this here. That is why the Malware/virus experts exist. And there section. In poking around in the Norton file I had to enter my Norton password. That may have cured the automatic password situation. But the copy and paste came back and I have no clue. I didn't mean to start an argument. Can we all agree to disagree without being disagreeable please? Thanks again to all for your help. Dixieflash Quote from: dixieflash on August 05, 2010, 03:25:59 PM In poking around in the Norton file I had to enter my Norton password. That may have cured the automatic password situation. But the copy and paste came back and I have no clue. I didn't mean to start an argument. Can we all agree to disagree without being disagreeable please? Thanks again to all for your help. Dixieflash You have started nothing and it's not your fault. Nothing to worry about.Quote from: Mulreay on August 05, 2010, 12:06:35 PM We risk giving conflicting (and dangerous) advice doing this here. That is why the Malware/virus experts exist. And there section. I've been involved with support forums since they first appeared on the web and I assure you, when I state an opinion I can back it up. There's nothing dangerous about following my advice. When I'm not sure about something I make sure to say so in the post.Quote from: Allan on August 05, 2010, 03:39:13 PM I've been involved with support forums since they first appeared on the web and I assure you, when I state an opinion I can back it up. There's nothing dangerous about following my advice. When I'm not sure about something I make sure to say so in the post. One thinks you have taken my comment personal which makes the thread even more poignant. I'm not saying you are wrong and in fact you could ask a well known member I was on your side for quite a while. I have no idea why you have taken offence but you seem to be carrying on this issue. The OP and everyone apart from you has laid it to bed as in 'OK no problem'. 'At risk of giving advice' and 'giving fact' are two completely different things. I may be out of turn and If I am, I truly apologise.. but I don't get your problem. Iam slightly distracted as I'm watching the sky's tonight for the British Aurora. Quote from: Allan on August 05, 2010, 03:39:13 PM I've been involved with support forums since they first appeared on the web and I assure you, when I state an opinion I can back it up. There's nothing dangerous about following my advice. When I'm not sure about something I make sure to say so in the post. I just did some research myself, seems that the 2010 version has advanced by leaps and bounds. My experience with the pre-installed version of Norton 360 on my laptop was not particularly awe-inspiring. It tried to display a "YOU MUST REGISTER THIS PRODUCT" type of dialog every time I started the PC (and, it made the window on freaking top so I couldn't do anything else, either). All Anti-Virus programs miss infections. I just cleaned my brothers PC a few hours ago that had AVG and it only found maybe a tenth of what was actually on there. malewarebytes, reboot, poof, it's clean. I was going to switch him to Avast! (he only installed AVG because he saw me using it many years ago), but he wouldn't let me. (he's one of those, "If I can use it, it's fine" type PEOPLE). ALL Anti-virus programs are resource hogs. (compared to your average app) They use CPU time every time you access a file, they use memory all the time, etc. It pretty much comes with the territory, because they have a of data to compare and sort and so forth. What makes this sort of thing sad is that the only reason there is any argument at all is simply because the OP happened to mention the AV they used. The problem is pretty much largely unrelated to the actual choice of AV to begin with, and the fact that cut/copy/paste stopped working was only slightly related. The "automatic password" thing was probably simply that they didn't enter their master password, so that was the AV/Suite working properly. I imagine that the Cut/Copy/Paste returned at some point after the update, because the module responsible for monitoring the clipboard polls it's hook status every few minutes, so a few minutes after it started it found that it's hook was no longer installed and reinstalled it, which restored the clipboard view chain. Yes, the windows clipboard is a very odd ENTITY when it comes to hooks and views and their interactions.

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You're welcome and I'm glad cut/copy/paste is working. I can't imagine how it could be related to new definitions being downloaded.Quote from: dixieflash on August 05, 2010, 09:55:13 AM

Well, wouldn't you know - copy and paste has revived itself with no action on my part. Hmmmm???

Okay, Auto Fill is still not working.

Thanks for the Norton link - I was unable to find that. Now maybe I can ask some questions there.

I really appreciate all of the replies. Dixieflash

Auto fill generally runs off a master password.. is there a section in Norton that allows you to VIEW this.. sorry it's been a while but I know there is a master password.. possibly check your browser for Norton settings.I agree with lostcoast here re: the fact that Norton is far less then it once was. That being said, I've never actually been one of their customers so can only relate to the many horror stories that I've heard from friends/relatives/neighbors about it. Either way, this back and forth "Norton sucks", "does not" "Does to!" "Does not!" isn't really constructive regardless.

EDIT: curse all you, now my reply is 5 posts too late...

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Seems like every time Norton Security downloads then auto-restarts, I can't copy say from Comcast email and paste to a Word Pad file.

When you say "Comcast email" is this a special client program that installed by your ISP, or are you accessing it via another browser (Internet Explorer, Firefox, etc). If the latter, you could try another browser. If the former, it might be that you need to restart after an update because Norton hasn't properly closed it's Clipboard viewer hook chain which therefore busts pretty much all the other installed clipboard viewers, essentially rendering copy-paste inoperative.

If possible if you can find a way to do a complete "restart" of Norton (that is, all it's processes are stopped and restarted) then the clipboard viewer chain hook registered to Norton will no longer point to a loaded module and windows may automatically remove that particular item from the chain. I know this is the way it often works with other hooks, I have no reason not to believe it's the same for clipboard hooks as well.

Well, I poked aroound in the Norton settings, etc, did not change anything, BUT
now it is auto filling the passwords again! Thanks to all. DixieflashQuote from: dixieflash on August 05, 2010, 10:33:58 AM

Well, I poked aroound in the Norton settings, etc, did not change anything, BUT
now it is auto filling the passwords again! Thanks to all. Dixieflash

Glad we could help For the record, yes, this Norton whatever program comes with Comcast ISP. It had Macafee, which I had no problems with, but they changed. Norton is okay when it works, I guess. Thanks again for your help. Dixieflash Just fyi, there is nothing worse than McAfee. You've made a very positive move going from that to Norton.Quote from: Allan on August 05, 2010, 11:52:46 AM

Just fyi, there is nothing worse than McAfee. You've made a very positive move going from that to Norton.

Well, Comcast made a very positive move. She just accepted what Comcast issued.

By the way, dixieflash, you could, if you so choose, uninstall Norton and still use some other anti-virus or another internet security package. But, if Norton is working OK for you now, you might WANT to stick with it. I really haven't followed developments with Norton in recent years but I'm willing to give some credence to Allan's comments about the fall and rise (the coming back in recent years) of Norton.

On another note, unfortunately, this discussion provides no clue about why or how the issues have mysteriously corrected themselves.
Quote from: Allan on August 05, 2010, 11:52:46 AM

Just fyi, there is nothing worse than McAfee. You've made a very positive move going from that to Norton.

I may or may not agree with you and I will not state here. But this kind of conversation should be carried out in the malware section of the forum. Then we can get some sage advice not just personal beliefs.
We risk giving conflicting (and dangerous) advice doing this here. That is why the Malware/virus experts exist. And there section. In poking around in the Norton file I had to enter my Norton password. That may have cured the automatic password situation. But the copy and paste came back and I have no clue.

I didn't mean to start an argument. Can we all agree to disagree without being disagreeable please?

Thanks again to all for your help. Dixieflash Quote from: dixieflash on August 05, 2010, 03:25:59 PM

In poking around in the Norton file I had to enter my Norton password. That may have cured the automatic password situation. But the copy and paste came back and I have no clue.

I didn't mean to start an argument. Can we all agree to disagree without being disagreeable please?

Thanks again to all for your help. Dixieflash

You have started nothing and it's not your fault. Nothing to worry about.Quote from: Mulreay on August 05, 2010, 12:06:35 PM

We risk giving conflicting (and dangerous) advice doing this here. That is why the Malware/virus experts exist. And there section.

I've been involved with support forums since they first appeared on the web and I assure you, when I state an opinion I can back it up. There's nothing dangerous about following my advice. When I'm not sure about something I make sure to say so in the post.Quote from: Allan on August 05, 2010, 03:39:13 PM

I've been involved with support forums since they first appeared on the web and I assure you, when I state an opinion I can back it up. There's nothing dangerous about following my advice. When I'm not sure about something I make sure to say so in the post.

One thinks you have taken my comment personal which makes the thread even more poignant. I'm not saying you are wrong and in fact you could ask a well known member I was on your side for quite a while.
I have no idea why you have taken offence but you seem to be carrying on this issue. The OP and everyone apart from you has laid it to bed as in 'OK no problem'. 'At risk of giving advice' and 'giving fact' are two completely different things.
I may be out of turn and If I am, I truly apologise.. but I don't get your problem. Iam slightly distracted as I'm watching the sky's tonight for the British Aurora.

Quote from: Allan on August 05, 2010, 03:39:13 PM

I've been involved with support forums since they first appeared on the web and I assure you, when I state an opinion I can back it up. There's nothing dangerous about following my advice. When I'm not sure about something I make sure to say so in the post.

I just did some research myself, seems that the 2010 version has advanced by leaps and bounds. My experience with the pre-installed version of Norton 360 on my laptop was not particularly awe-inspiring. It tried to display a "YOU MUST REGISTER THIS PRODUCT" type of dialog every time I started the PC (and, it made the window on freaking top so I couldn't do anything else, either).

All Anti-Virus programs miss infections. I just cleaned my brothers PC a few hours ago that had AVG and it only found maybe a tenth of what was actually on there. malewarebytes, reboot, poof, it's clean. I was going to switch him to Avast! (he only installed AVG because he saw me using it many years ago), but he wouldn't let me. (he's one of those, "If I can use it, it's fine" type PEOPLE).

ALL Anti-virus programs are resource hogs. (compared to your average app) They use CPU time every time you access a file, they use memory all the time, etc. It pretty much comes with the territory, because they have a of data to compare and sort and so forth.

What makes this sort of thing sad is that the only reason there is any argument at all is simply because the OP happened to mention the AV they used. The problem is pretty much largely unrelated to the actual choice of AV to begin with, and the fact that cut/copy/paste stopped working was only slightly related. The "automatic password" thing was probably simply that they didn't enter their master password, so that was the AV/Suite working properly.

I imagine that the Cut/Copy/Paste returned at some point after the update, because the module responsible for monitoring the clipboard polls it's hook status every few minutes, so a few minutes after it started it found that it's hook was no longer installed and reinstalled it, which restored the clipboard view chain. Yes, the windows clipboard is a very odd ENTITY when it comes to hooks and views and their interactions.

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