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Answer» can WINDOWS home server 2011 be used as a server and a personal pc at the same time? (Personal pc: gaming and internet browsing.)Are you serious? You want to PAY $129 for server software made by MS that is not even passable in the real server market? You must be in love with MS. Here is a rant published a year ago. Quote http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/how-microsoft-can-clean-up-the-mess-in-its-home-and-small-business-server-business/2744 How Microsoft can clean up the mess in its home and small business server business By Ed Bott \| November 30, 2010 Summary: Last week, Microsoft announced its decision to discontinue development of one of the core features of Windows Home Server. In a matter of hours, they destroyed their relationship with a large and loyal customer base. Here’s what happened, and how they can recover. If you want your customers to trust you, don’t lie to them. That sounds like common sense, the kind of stuff you should learn in the first semester of business school, but apparently someone up in Redmond skipped that lecture. And boy, are they paying for it now. ... (Click on link above for FULL story.) BTW: There are bistros of Linux that have long been used as servers. But you already knew that. Didn't you?well i found Windows Home Server 2011 for $50, or windows 7 home premium for $95. i figured if it could be used like windows 7 then it would be cheaper. http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Server-64-bit-English-Builder/dp/B0050TVAWS/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premum-System-Builder-Version/dp/B002NGJO4M/ref=sr_1_6?s=software&ie=UTF8&qid=1313616329&sr=1-6 Quote Newegg Drops Price of Windows Home Server 2011 to $49.99 http://www.wegotserved.com/2011/07/18/newegg-drops-price-windows-home-server-2011-5999/ Some visitor comments seem to suggest that as a server OS, it has quite a lot of limitations, others are less severe, but one says: Quote At that price, it's the cheapest version of Windows you can GET. No reason you can't use it as a general purpose OS. Change the processor priority to foreground tasks, dump IE and its restrictions, and off you go. For anybody non this thread, the following is required reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Home_Server_2011 The information on Wikipedia is not clear, but then the MS PR is not either. The speculation was the Windows Media Player would be part of it. The question is: Can Windows Home Server 2011 be the low cost OS for those who do not to buy want Vista or Windows 7? Quote from: Geek-9pm on August 21, 2011, 03:25:51 PM The question is: Can Windows Home Server 2011 be the low cost OS for those who do not to buy want Vista or Windows 7? And the answer -- which I thought I had given -- is "yes". With some reservations.. http://www.itproportal.com/2011/08/03/microsoft-punting-windows-home-server-2011-poor-mans-windows-7/ Quote [...] Microsoft has cut the price of its Windows Home Server 2011 operating system by more than half to £36.86, a price that includes VAT and delivery. [...] The price cut is not limited to the UK [...] Newegg and Tigerdirect, two of the biggest online retailers in the US, have also cut the price of the OS [...] At this point, two questions can be asked: Why has Microsoft cut the price of Windows Home Server 2011 so aggressively so early in the lifetime of the product, and can it replace a bog-standard installation of Windows 7? Wegotserved suggests that Microsoft's partners may have to hit targets in order to get goodies (like marketing budgets and coop funds) from the software giant and are therefore cutting the price of WHS2011 to boost sales (and get some free marketing). Some have also mentioned that the move could be linked to Apple's decision to cut the price of its equivalent OS, Lion server, to a rock bottom £34.99, down from around £210 for Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard Server OS with unlimited clients. For most uses, Windows Home Server 2011 can be used as a cheaper OS replacement instead of Windows 7 Professional, which is more than twice as expensive in the UK plus you do get a few goodies as well. You won't be able to use it on a non 64-bit computer and the hardware requirements for WHS 2011 are much higher than for Windows 7 32-bit. You shall need at least a 1.4GHz single core x86-64 CPU, 2GB RAM and a 160GB hard disk drive plus there have been reports of incompatibility given that WHS2011 is based on Windows 2008 R2. You can use a pair of pliers as a hammer, but that doesn't mean it makes a very good hammer. Long term I think you will be better off with win 7. Quote from: rthompson80819 on August 21, 2011, 04:23:44 PM You can use a pair of pliers as a hammer, but that doesn't mean it makes a very good hammer. A pair of pliers isn't a modified version of a hammer, it's a completely different tool that takes advantage of a lever, while a hammer is designed for direct application of torque. Additionally, a pair of pliers isn't necessarily cheaper than a hammer, nor are they easier to acquire. Aside from the analogy, you've not demonstrated in what ways WHS is so much different that it makes it a bad idea in the 'long term' for home use.I've never used Windows Home Server so I'm not the formost EXPERT on the OS, however based on some of the comments from other posts, and some of the links posted here, here it sounds like there are some limitations and compatibly issues. Why not spend a few bucks more and get a fairly stable OS like win 7? If we were talking big bucks between the two OSs then I might have a different opinion, but in the overall scheme of things $45 isn't that much.ok..i will get win7 Quote from: rthompson80819 on August 21, 2011, 11:30:07 PM I've never used Windows Home Server so I'm not the formost expert on the OS, however based on some of the comments from other posts, and some of the links posted here, here it sounds like there are some limitations and compatibly issues. Some limitations (some people allege) as a server OS, but I think many of those objections are based on personal preference. WHS 2011 is built on the Windows Server 2008 R2 code base, which is the "server version of Windows 7". They were developed in tandem, or "lockstep" as some commentators put it. Windows 2008 and hence Home Server will only run on 64 bit cpus, but as far as I can see that may not be a big problem these days. Using Windows Server 2008 R2 for gaming is not unknown... see sites such as this one: http://www.win2008r2workstation.com/ Quote Using this manual you will be able to use Windows Server 2008 R2 as a lightning fast Workstation which allows you to use applications, develop or play games better than you ever could on a home user Operating System like Windows 7 or Windows Vista! Quote Convert your Windows Server 2008 R2 to a Workstation! Windows Server 2008 R2 to Workstation Manual A lot of us will probably also use Windows Server 2008 R2 to play games! On this page games that work and don’t work are listed. Lots of "Yes" and a couple of "No" entries... http://www.win2008r2workstation.com/win2008r2/games Personally I think an OS that is Windows 7 with knobs on, all legal and on a pressed disk, for the price of a medium size pen drive, is a steal! Of course it may not suit Joe Sixpack-type non techie users, but if you are willing to have a try, and can do the research, why not? This may represent a new turn in the marketing used buy Microsoft. The resonating may be this: Many home-built users just don't want to spend $120 on Windows 7l but at about half price for a 64 bit bare OS they will buy. MS will increase the volume of their sales while professional users with go with the nigh price version. Quote from: Geek-9pm on August 23, 2011, 01:39:56 AM MS will increase the volume of their sales while professional users with go with the nigh price version. Most people get their copy of windows when they buy their PC. Most manufacturered PCs do not come with Home Server. Quote from: BC_Programmer on August 23, 2011, 07:18:50 AM Most people get their copy of windows when they buy their PC. Most manufacturered PCs do not come with Home Server. Right. So the sales of the Home Server will not undermine the main revenue. The Home Server will be bought by individuals who build there own PC. So this will be gravy for MS, inasmuch as it is not really a whole new product for the MS development people. It consists of parts of stuff they already have. Predictably, MS profits will go up, not down, by lowering the price of a niche product that failed to enter the mainstream channel. Too bad I am broke. Would be nice to buy some MS stock now. Quote from: Geek-9pm on August 23, 2011, 12:05:55 PM Right. So the sales of the Home Server will not undermine the main revenue. The Home Server will be bought by individuals who build there own PC. So this will be gravy for MS, inasmuch as it is not really a whole new product for the MS development people. It consists of parts of stuff they already have. Predictably, MS profits will go up, not down, by lowering the price of a niche product that failed to enter the mainstream channel. Too bad I am broke. Would be nice to buy some MS stock now. Nope again...you're logic is flawed... They cannot possibly make more money on a ""niche"" product that i'm assumong had the same development costs as the Premium product... Just an observation.

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can WINDOWS home server 2011 be used as a server and a personal pc at the same time?

(Personal pc: gaming and internet browsing.)Are you serious? You want to PAY $129 for server software made by MS that is not even passable in the real server market? You must be in love with MS.
Here is a rant published a year ago.
Quote

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/how-microsoft-can-clean-up-the-mess-in-its-home-and-small-business-server-business/2744
How Microsoft can clean up the mess in its home and small business server business

By Ed Bott | November 30, 2010

Summary: Last week, Microsoft announced its decision to discontinue development of one of the core features of Windows Home Server. In a matter of hours, they destroyed their relationship with a large and loyal customer base. Here’s what happened, and how they can recover.

If you want your customers to trust you, don’t lie to them.

That sounds like common sense, the kind of stuff you should learn in the first semester of business school, but apparently someone up in Redmond skipped that lecture. And boy, are they paying for it now. ...

(Click on link above for FULL story.)
BTW: There are bistros of Linux that have long been used as servers. But you already knew that. Didn't you?well i found Windows Home Server 2011 for $50, or windows 7 home premium for $95. i figured if it could be used like windows 7 then it would be cheaper.

http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Server-64-bit-English-Builder/dp/B0050TVAWS/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premum-System-Builder-Version/dp/B002NGJO4M/ref=sr_1_6?s=software&ie=UTF8&qid=1313616329&sr=1-6

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Newegg Drops Price of Windows Home Server 2011 to $49.99

http://www.wegotserved.com/2011/07/18/newegg-drops-price-windows-home-server-2011-5999/

Some visitor comments seem to suggest that as a server OS, it has quite a lot of limitations, others are less severe, but one says:

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At that price, it's the cheapest version of Windows you can GET. No reason you can't use it as a general purpose OS. Change the processor priority to foreground tasks, dump IE and its restrictions, and off you go.

For anybody non this thread, the following is required reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Home_Server_2011

The information on Wikipedia is not clear, but then the MS PR is not either. The speculation was the Windows Media Player would be part of it.

The question is: Can Windows Home Server 2011 be the low cost OS for those who do not to buy want Vista or Windows 7? Quote from: Geek-9pm on August 21, 2011, 03:25:51 PM

The question is: Can Windows Home Server 2011 be the low cost OS for those who do not to buy want Vista or Windows 7?

And the answer -- which I thought I had given -- is "yes". With some reservations..

http://www.itproportal.com/2011/08/03/microsoft-punting-windows-home-server-2011-poor-mans-windows-7/

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[...] Microsoft has cut the price of its Windows Home Server 2011 operating system by more than half to £36.86, a price that includes VAT and delivery. [...] The price cut is not limited to the UK [...] Newegg and Tigerdirect, two of the biggest online retailers in the US, have also cut the price of the OS [...] At this point, two questions can be asked: Why has Microsoft cut the price of Windows Home Server 2011 so aggressively so early in the lifetime of the product, and can it replace a bog-standard installation of Windows 7?

Wegotserved suggests that Microsoft's partners may have to hit targets in order to get goodies (like marketing budgets and coop funds) from the software giant and are therefore cutting the price of WHS2011 to boost sales (and get some free marketing).

Some have also mentioned that the move could be linked to Apple's decision to cut the price of its equivalent OS, Lion server, to a rock bottom £34.99, down from around £210 for Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard Server OS with unlimited clients.

For most uses, Windows Home Server 2011 can be used as a cheaper OS replacement instead of Windows 7 Professional, which is more than twice as expensive in the UK plus you do get a few goodies as well.

You won't be able to use it on a non 64-bit computer and the hardware requirements for WHS 2011 are much higher than for Windows 7 32-bit. You shall need at least a 1.4GHz single core x86-64 CPU, 2GB RAM and a 160GB hard disk drive plus there have been reports of incompatibility given that WHS2011 is based on Windows 2008 R2.

You can use a pair of pliers as a hammer, but that doesn't mean it makes a very good hammer. Long term I think you will be better off with win 7. Quote from: rthompson80819 on August 21, 2011, 04:23:44 PM

You can use a pair of pliers as a hammer, but that doesn't mean it makes a very good hammer.

A pair of pliers isn't a modified version of a hammer, it's a completely different tool that takes advantage of a lever, while a hammer is designed for direct application of torque. Additionally, a pair of pliers isn't necessarily cheaper than a hammer, nor are they easier to acquire.
Aside from the analogy, you've not demonstrated in what ways WHS is so much different that it makes it a bad idea in the 'long term' for home use.I've never used Windows Home Server so I'm not the formost EXPERT on the OS, however based on some of the comments from other posts, and some of the links posted here, here it sounds like there are some limitations and compatibly issues. Why not spend a few bucks more and get a fairly stable OS like win 7?

If we were talking big bucks between the two OSs then I might have a different opinion, but in the overall scheme of things $45 isn't that much.ok..i will get win7 Quote from: rthompson80819 on August 21, 2011, 11:30:07 PM

I've never used Windows Home Server so I'm not the formost expert on the OS, however based on some of the comments from other posts, and some of the links posted here, here it sounds like there are some limitations and compatibly issues.

Some limitations (some people allege) as a server OS, but I think many of those objections are based on personal preference. WHS 2011 is built on the Windows Server 2008 R2 code base, which is the "server version of Windows 7". They were developed in tandem, or "lockstep" as some commentators put it. Windows 2008 and hence Home Server will only run on 64 bit cpus, but as far as I can see that may not be a big problem these days. Using Windows Server 2008 R2 for gaming is not unknown... see sites such as this one:

http://www.win2008r2workstation.com/

Quote

Using this manual you will be able to use Windows Server 2008 R2 as a lightning fast Workstation which allows you to use applications, develop or play games better than you ever could on a home user Operating System like Windows 7 or Windows Vista!

Quote

Convert your Windows Server 2008 R2 to a Workstation!
Windows Server 2008 R2 to Workstation Manual

A lot of us will probably also use Windows Server 2008 R2 to play games! On this page games that work and don’t work are listed.

Lots of "Yes" and a couple of "No" entries...

http://www.win2008r2workstation.com/win2008r2/games

Personally I think an OS that is Windows 7 with knobs on, all legal and on a pressed disk, for the price of a medium size pen drive, is a steal! Of course it may not suit Joe Sixpack-type non techie users, but if you are willing to have a try, and can do the research, why not?

This may represent a new turn in the marketing used buy Microsoft. The resonating may be this: Many home-built users just don't want to spend $120 on Windows 7l but at about half price for a 64 bit bare OS they will buy.

MS will increase the volume of their sales while professional users with go with the nigh price version. Quote from: Geek-9pm on August 23, 2011, 01:39:56 AM

MS will increase the volume of their sales while professional users with go with the nigh price version.

Most people get their copy of windows when they buy their PC. Most manufacturered PCs do not come with Home Server. Quote from: BC_Programmer on August 23, 2011, 07:18:50 AM

Most people get their copy of windows when they buy their PC. Most manufacturered PCs do not come with Home Server.

Right. So the sales of the Home Server will not undermine the main revenue. The Home Server will be bought by individuals who build there own PC. So this will be gravy for MS, inasmuch as it is not really a whole new product for the MS development people. It consists of parts of stuff they already have.

Predictably, MS profits will go up, not down, by lowering the price of a niche product that failed to enter the mainstream channel.

Too bad I am broke. Would be nice to buy some MS stock now.
Quote from: Geek-9pm on August 23, 2011, 12:05:55 PM

Right. So the sales of the Home Server will not undermine the main revenue. The Home Server will be bought by individuals who build there own PC. So this will be gravy for MS, inasmuch as it is not really a whole new product for the MS development people. It consists of parts of stuff they already have.

Predictably, MS profits will go up, not down, by lowering the price of a niche product that failed to enter the mainstream channel.

Too bad I am broke. Would be nice to buy some MS stock now.

Nope again...you're logic is flawed...
They cannot possibly make more money on a ""niche"" product that i'm assumong had the same development costs as the Premium product...
Just an observation.

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